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Accidently put a little too much oil in the 360 - it's showing about 5mm over the max - will it damage the car if i drive it? Assume it will burn off?
steve f
07-01-2006, 04:55 PM
keep dipping the dipstick and wipeing it on a cloth and the level will go down after a few wipes to much oil can damage an engine
keep dipping the dipstick and wipeing it on a cloth and the level will go down after a few wipes to much oil can damage an engine
is that can or will?
steve f
07-01-2006, 04:59 PM
is that can or will?
its both but that depends on how much is to much:laugh:
stevew
07-01-2006, 05:01 PM
Use a large syringe or even something like a Turkey baister to suck the excess oil out.Like Steve says too much oil can be bad for an engine,better to air on the side of caution.
barabus
07-01-2006, 05:03 PM
Accidently put a little too much oil in the 360 - it's showing about 5mm over the max - will it damage the car if i drive it? Assume it will burn off?
Haha put a sock in it to soke up the excess:grin:
But remember to take it out:grin:
Cheers fellas. Got it sorted. Got a turkey baster but not long enough. Found that a home brewing syphon kit did the trick. Mouth tastes a tad oily at the mo but the cars fine:thumbsup:
ferrarifixer
09-01-2006, 09:25 AM
Ok, firstly, you need to be sure you're checking it right.
Run the engine unil the OIL is hot, not just the water.
Then, stop the engine and check it straight away.
If it is up to 30mm OVER max, it will be ok, anything between midway and minimum WHEN HOT needs a top up.
Running up to 30mm OVER max WHEN HOT is ok on 360. In fact, on the track it is advisable (and with slicks it is necessary), and Michelotto actually re-mark the dipstick in the GT 360 cars, (as well as fitting extra baffles to the sump)
Ok, firstly, you need to be sure you're checking it right.
Run the engine unil the OIL is hot, not just the water.
Then, stop the engine and check it straight away.
If it is up to 30mm OVER max, it will be ok, anything between midway and minimum WHEN HOT needs a top up.
Running up to 30mm OVER max WHEN HOT is ok on 360. In fact, on the track it is advisable (and with slicks it is necessary), and Michelotto actually re-mark the dipstick in the GT 360 cars, (as well as fitting extra baffles to the sump)
Oil was at temperature when i checked it. Just misguided by the manual that said the difference between min and max was 1 litre(dipstick was showing below min when warm). So i put in 1 litre and it put it way over.
steve f
09-01-2006, 09:38 AM
Oil was at temperature when i checked it. Just misguided by the manual that said the difference between min and max was 1 litre(dipstick was showing below min when warm). So i put in 1 litre and it put it way over.
hope you put the same oil in it that was already in ?????????????????
hope you put the same oil in it that was already in ?????????????????
yes mate
ferrarifixer
09-01-2006, 10:31 AM
Oil was at temperature when i checked it. Just misguided by the manual that said the difference between min and max was 1 litre(dipstick was showing below min when warm). So i put in 1 litre and it put it way over.
What happened here was probably one of two things...
Either,
you didn't dip it correctly... ie straight after shut down EACH TIME... you CANNOT top it up and re-check, you must re-start, blip gently, and shut down again.
OR
You dipped it with the engine idling, and got a splash on the side of the stick OR you wiped the stick in some oil on the tube while lifting it out, and got a rogue reading.
Minimum to maximum is 1 litre.
GrahamS
09-01-2006, 10:49 AM
What happened here was probably one of two things...
Either,
you didn't dip it correctly... ie straight after shut down EACH TIME... you CANNOT top it up and re-check, you must re-start, blip gently, and shut down again.
OR
You dipped it with the engine idling, and got a splash on the side of the stick OR you wiped the stick in some oil on the tube while lifting it out, and got a rogue reading.
Minimum to maximum is 1 litre.
I've always checked mine (F355) with the engine running :shocked:
Think I'd better check my oil levels when I get home
Thanks for the info :thumbsup:
What happened here was probably one of two things...
Either,
you didn't dip it correctly... ie straight after shut down EACH TIME... you CANNOT top it up and re-check, you must re-start, blip gently, and shut down again.
OR
You dipped it with the engine idling, and got a splash on the side of the stick OR you wiped the stick in some oil on the tube while lifting it out, and got a rogue reading.
Minimum to maximum is 1 litre.
thanks.
ric355
09-01-2006, 11:15 AM
I've always checked mine (F355) with the engine running :shocked:
That is the correct procedure on the 355.
That is the correct procedure on the 355.
ric , according to my manual you check it immediately after shutting down not while running. ?
Ferraritech
09-01-2006, 12:21 PM
ric , according to my manual you check it immediately after shutting down not while running. ?
Correct :thumbsup:
ric355
09-01-2006, 12:54 PM
ric , according to my manual you check it immediately after shutting down not while running. ?
Yes you are right that is what it says.
However I would say there is no difference between the two anyway as you're supposed to check it immediately. My understanding is that since the car is dry sump you need the oil hot (for consistent readings) and the oil tank full. With the engine on the tank is definitely full and with it just switched off it is also definitely full.
Since ferrarifixer said "ie straight after shut down EACH TIME... you CANNOT top it up and re-check, you must re-start, blip gently, and shut down again." - I would say this backs up my assumption.
So in conclusion I'm wrong but I must be right somehow ! :grin:
Ric.
Yes you are right that is what it says.
However I would say there is no difference between the two anyway as you're supposed to check it immediately. My understanding is that since the car is dry sump you need the oil hot (for consistent readings) and the oil tank full. With the engine on the tank is definitely full and with it just switched off it is also definitely full.
Since ferrarifixer said "ie straight after shut down EACH TIME... you CANNOT top it up and re-check, you must re-start, blip gently, and shut down again." - I would say this backs up my assumption.
So in conclusion I'm wrong but I must be right somehow ! :grin:
Ric.
I was in question too but thought it easier to say thanks. Im sure my manual said check oil with engine idling.
What happened here was probably one of two things...
Either,
you didn't dip it correctly... ie straight after shut down EACH TIME... you CANNOT top it up and re-check, you must re-start, blip gently, and shut down again.
OR
You dipped it with the engine idling, and got a splash on the side of the stick OR you wiped the stick in some oil on the tube while lifting it out, and got a rogue reading.
Minimum to maximum is 1 litre.
Not what the MANUAL says. Are the manufacturers of the engine wrong?
Gimme Fuel
09-01-2006, 05:35 PM
:hmmm:Intresting reading guys....
I didnt know that you could check the oil on the 355/360 while the engine is running.....
To check my 348 oil level I have to warm up the oil to 70*C degrees and stop the engine and check the oil level at once.
Good to hear that you fixed your oil problem Rob:thumbsup:
ferrarifixer
10-01-2006, 08:43 AM
The manual is WRONG, or maybe ill informed at the time of writing.
Manuals are written in pre-production, and often subject to review.
Since the cars have been on the road, it's been clearly observed that oil returning to the tank with the engine running CAN SOMETIMES splash onto the dipstick, SOMETIMES confusing the readings.
Check it immediately after shutdown.. ON EVERY MODEL 1949-2006 WITHOUT EXCEPTION, and you'll be accurate.
The manual is WRONG, or maybe ill informed at the time of writing.
Manuals are written in pre-production, and often subject to review.
Since the cars have been on the road, it's been clearly observed that oil returning to the tank with the engine running CAN SOMETIMES splash onto the dipstick, SOMETIMES confusing the readings.
Check it immediately after shutdown.. ON EVERY MODEL 1949-2006 WITHOUT EXCEPTION, and you'll be accurate.
ROTFLMFAO. :laugh: :laugh: Funniest thing Ive read.Thought you were an expert:huh:
ferrarifixer
10-01-2006, 09:19 AM
ROTFLMFAO. :laugh: :laugh: Funniest thing Ive read.Thought you were an expert:huh:
Take it anyway you like. It's your choice. if you think you have better info than mine, I'd gladly absorb it.
I've got over 50,000km of tracking 360C and N-GT, and working at Michelotto on build of N-GT cars has taught me lots of things the manuals have got wrong, or mis informed.
FYI, the manuals are often wrong. anything from ridiculous torque specs (eg 246 cam caps) to engine build directions (eg 550 workshop manual).
Oil should be checked after shut down on every Ferrari built to be sure of accuracy. All variants on this method are too dependant on ambient conditions for prompt drainage or chance of oil splashing onto dipstick from scavenge return feed to tank.
Take it anyway you like. It's your choice. if you think you have better info than mine, I'd gladly absorb it.
I've got over 50,000km of tracking 360C and N-GT, and working at Michelotto on build of N-GT cars has taught me lots of things the manuals have got wrong, or mis informed.
FYI, the manuals are often wrong. anything from ridiculous torque specs (eg 246 cam caps) to engine build directions (eg 550 workshop manual).
Oil should be checked after shut down on every Ferrari built to be sure of accuracy. All variants on this method are too dependant on ambient conditions for prompt drainage or chance of oil splashing onto dipstick from scavenge return feed to tank.
Im only messing with you Phil. Nothing suprises me with Ferrrari.:)
Take it anyway you like. It's your choice. if you think you have better info than mine, I'd gladly absorb it.
I've got over 50,000km of tracking 360C and N-GT, and working at Michelotto on build of N-GT cars has taught me lots of things the manuals have got wrong, or mis informed.
FYI, the manuals are often wrong. anything from ridiculous torque specs (eg 246 cam caps) to engine build directions (eg 550 workshop manual).
Oil should be checked after shut down on every Ferrari built to be sure of accuracy. All variants on this method are too dependant on ambient conditions for prompt drainage or chance of oil splashing onto dipstick from scavenge return feed to tank.
Now now calm down dude, are you still sore from the spanking your cricket team recieved??? :D:D:D
Now now calm down dude, are you still sore from the spanking your cricket team recieved??? :D:D:D
reckon its a conspiracy mate :grin: payback for whooping them:laugh:
GrahamS
10-01-2006, 10:25 AM
You may be disappointed to know that Phil is in fact British, so I doubt he supports the Aussie cricket team :shocked:
Ferraritech
10-01-2006, 10:25 AM
The manual is WRONG, or maybe ill informed at the time of writing.
Manuals are written in pre-production, and often subject to review.
Rob,
Phil's spot on, the later handbooks text is different - typical Ferrari :thumbsdow
Rob,
Phil's spot on, the later handbooks text is different - typical Ferrari :thumbsdow
cheers fellas - why the hell dont they hand out supplementary handbooks when you buy a second hand car from a main dealer? Or at least put an amendment sticker in the handbook?
ferrarifixer
10-01-2006, 11:05 AM
Now now calm down dude, are you still sore from the spanking your cricket team recieved??? :D:D:D
Ha ha... I'm a "Pozzie"
I pick and choose when it suits me to be a pom, or an ozzie!!
Donie
23-01-2006, 06:49 PM
Ferrarifixer,
What does 30mm over max equate-to in terms of volume in the tank, and why is this of benefit if the car is dry-sumped ?
I'm not trying to be 'smart' , I really need to know since I've only just acquired a 360 and need to get all the knowledge I can, as quickly as possible.
ferrarifixer
24-01-2006, 11:10 AM
Not sure of volume, but approx 1 extra litre maybe... it depends so much on being the correct temperature....
It's needed because the engine sucks and circulates its oil faster than it can return it to the tank, under extreme cornering loads at high rpm..... there are two pick ups in the sump for scavenge oil, but even so, its not baffled or positioned well enough to work in extreme corners.
Michelotto 360GT engines are baffled to help this, but they are STILL overfilled by 30mm anyway!!. The 360C and GT cars come with datalogging that show the oil pressure spikes of Zero Bar.
If you're just street driving, don't worry about it. It's only for the track. And once again, this is a HOT LEVEL AFTER SHUTDOWN.
get this wrong (say 40-50mm over) and you'll get an oil puke into your intake system, and LOADS of blue smoke or even a hydraulic lock.
cheers fellas - why the hell dont they hand out supplementary handbooks when you buy a second hand car from a main dealer? Or at least put an amendment sticker in the handbook?
because when people get it wrong, it generates a huge amount of work for the Ferrari Servicing community and parts departments in engine rebuilds. If you get your oil readings wrong and carry on driving for 500 miles on a near empty oil system :shocked: its game over cylinder liners and valve guides. :shocked:
oil puke into your intake system, and LOADS of blue smoke or even a hydraulic lock.
Ive seen that before. Its impressive how much smoke can be produced from a 360 with about 2 litres of overfill...
456gtman
08-02-2006, 06:20 PM
Ive seen that before. Its impressive how much smoke can be produced from a 360 with about 2 litres of overfill...
And from a 456:mad: , not too mention a 4k bill:cry3: :cry3: With regard to manuals early 456 books tell you to check the oil level on the dipstick between the min & max markers, which I dutifully did and promptly had heart failure as no reading at all and FILLED HER UP!!!!!!
Only on the NEXT page does it then tell you to run the engine up to hot.
W A N K E R S:mad: Cost me a load of spondoolies and a coronary when I left a trail of blue smoke like runway 1 at heathrow
ps not sure which end of my hand was the dipstick:shocked:
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