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Lagerlout
10-10-2006, 11:34 PM
Guys & Gals,

Anyone on here own/owned a Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 1/Evo 2?

I'm trying to stop myself buying one of these but failing miserably. I've been in lust with them for many years and now I'm bored of my daily drive I'm looking for one of these.

Can they be driven daily ok? I don't see why not - ? With proper maintenence etc?

Is an Evo 2 worth the price over an Evo 1? They look practically the same, and to be honest that is much of the appeal for shallow ole me. I also like the idea of no cats on the Evo 1.

Am I right convincing my Wife that these are in fact not nasty chav-mobiles? I can't explain my disgust at her attitude to this rally legend ;) but I'm sure some of you blokes have run into this before from the other half... lol ;)

What chance of this going AWOL if left on the street? Cough.

Thanks!

Fraccie
10-10-2006, 11:37 PM
I had one for three years.

Yes,yes, and yes.

Won`t go awol because most idiots don`t know what they are.

8 Valvers have quicker acceleration but not as much top end speed.Upgrade the brakes and stiffen the suspension and they handle like a skateboard,amazing in corners/bends.

They are very unforgiving though,go to far and there is no warning,they will leave the road,like any other FWD...buy one,they are great fun....:thumbsup:

Lagerlout
10-10-2006, 11:58 PM
Thanks for the info. Why do you think the Evo 2 is the better buy? The interior seems to be the big change or is it a case of the turbo being better in the Evo 2? Performance on paper looks almost identical?

Hud
11-10-2006, 07:44 AM
I had one for three years.

Yes,yes, and yes.

Won`t go awol because most idiots don`t know what they are.

8 Valvers have quicker acceleration but not as much top end speed.Upgrade the brakes and stiffen the suspension and they handle like a skateboard,amazing in corners/bends.

They are very unforgiving though,go to far and there is no warning,they will leave the road,like any other FWD...buy one,they are great fun....:thumbsup:


Any pics Ade? I love those cars. A true icon.

tonyh
11-10-2006, 08:21 AM
yellowtr -peter- has one . i'm sure he'll post

stevew
11-10-2006, 09:01 AM
Guys & Gals,

Anyone on here own/owned a Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 1/Evo 2?

I'm trying to stop myself buying one of these but failing miserably. I've been in lust with them for many years and now I'm bored of my daily drive I'm looking for one of these.

Can they be driven daily ok? I don't see why not - ? With proper maintenence etc?

Is an Evo 2 worth the price over an Evo 1? They look practically the same, and to be honest that is much of the appeal for shallow ole me. I also like the idea of no cats on the Evo 1.

Am I right convincing my Wife that these are in fact not nasty chav-mobiles? I can't explain my disgust at her attitude to this rally legend ;) but I'm sure some of you blokes have run into this before from the other half... lol ;)

What chance of this going AWOL if left on the street? Cough.

Thanks!

Great cars, but buy right, look out for crash damage, rust and at the top of the screen frame/roof for splitting.Check the suspension, the last one that we did some work on needed new shocks,couldn't get them of the shelf, they had to be sent away to be redone(not good on a daily driver).

Worth a look here http://www.walkersgarage.co.uk/

Fraccie
11-10-2006, 09:14 AM
Thanks for the info. Why do you think the Evo 2 is the better buy? The interior seems to be the big change or is it a case of the turbo being better in the Evo 2? Performance on paper looks almost identical?

I suppose it is like comparing a Mondial 8 to a Mondial 3.2,if you see what i mean.More developement,upgrades all round and the introduction of the 16 valve engine.The original HF Integrale was the 8 valver,i`m not sure enough of the differences between the EVO 1 and 2 to offer sound advice.

Check for rust and accident damage.The main area for rust is the scuttle and the back of the roof above the hatchback.Clutches are expensive to replace,simply because of the labour charge.The rest of the spares are not silly money really.

Phone Betacar in Crosshills,West Yorkshire and ask for Chris,he used to import them and now does servicing and spares supply.Chris is a nice bloke and is a font of knowledge on these particular cars.They do the servicing and repairs that Walkers cannot fix themselves....:wink3:

The number is 01535 275560

As an aside,i had a Dedra Turbo as a daily driver before my Integrale,fabulous cars if you can find one.

Fraccie
11-10-2006, 09:46 AM
I don`t think i have any pics Rob,i`ll check later..:thumbsup:

Hud
11-10-2006, 09:47 AM
I don`t think i have any pics Rob,i`ll check later..:thumbsup:

Cheers mate.

GialloGinestra
11-10-2006, 10:06 AM
Buy one now and grow into it!
I've had an Evo 2 for 5 yrs, and an HF16v before that, and they are a fantastic daily drive!
The Evo1 had the same engine/ECU as the HF16v, in the wider track body. No cat, 15" wheels, mapped for 205bhp.
The Evo 2 had a later Marelli ECU, mapped for 215bhp with a cat. The body is the same with cosmetic touches like colour coded rain gutters; extra louvres in the bonnet; recaro seats; air con as standard; and 16" wheels (same design.) The track is slightly wider again than the Evo 1 with uprated spring/damper settings and twin pot Fr calipers (the HF16v was a single pot, sliding caliper!)
The torque split on the HF16v is 50:50; and slightly rear bias on an Evo2 - but you won't kick the back end out with standard power unless its icey!
Performance wise they are the same (the Evo 2 is heavier.) For me the Evo2 does handle better, but its only on sections between speed cameras!
It drives the same in the wet as it does in the dry - which if you're graduating from a FWD is a real eye-opener! If it pulls to one side through standing water - you need new tyres!
First drive, off the mark, it might feel sluggish and slow to rev. The engine is not a screamer (5,500 is as good as 6,500), and they are quite tall geared (compared to Jap crap), with an 'Italian' driving position; but give yourself 6 months to 'learn how to drive it' and you'll wonder why you ever doubted yourself!
Check out http://www.pistonheads.com/ (http://www.pistonheads.com) for some nice ones.
Also check out http://www.whalley-integrale.uk.com/ for differences between the Evo's.

Oh... and women and Integrales don't generally mix - but atleast she won't want to drive it!

Ciao!

Fraccie
11-10-2006, 10:11 AM
You have your answer in the above post Mr Lout, mate.

They are bloody good fun....:thumbsup:

yellowtr
11-10-2006, 11:20 AM
Cheers for the heads up Tony :thumbsup:

Had the Evo for about 9yrs now and its had its ups and downs. It is a STUNNING car to drive and the sheer presence and handling is unreal-it’s a far better "driver" than I will ever be. It still has the look that people go "Wow" when they see it. Very few cars on the road look this good as standard.

Day to day I seriously would not recommend it as it can be quite tiresome as the "ape" driving position is annoying. Also, for some, the LHD can be off putting. Do not believe anyone that the factory offered RHD-the RHD steering rack come’s off a Fiat Uno Diesel Van! :shocked: Also fuel consumption is pretty bad and around town it is about 14mpg-18mpg. I can get motorway cruising at tops 25mpg.

I have spent and looking at the receipts is scary about 15000+ (!!) keeping her on the road. A Ferrari is way way cheaper to run!! Okay I did blow the engine up (5000 rebuild) at 150mph, so that didn't help. But parts are now becoming very very scarce. I have waited a year for new dampers for her, you cannot get Evo headlights anymore. You can't get indicator lenses for the front bumper. The least goes on. Also there are very few specialists who can be trusted. There are more to be NOT trusted that ones that are to be trusted. I used to use a guy called Barry Waterhouse, who became a good friend but sadly died last year. He and his guys knew there stuff. I have fond memories of being in "test cars" down the Old Kent Road at very silly speeds. Now a days I have my car personally serviced by a very competent guy. I would only use one specialist if I had too and that is Keith Turner at Auto Integrale http://www.auto-integrale.co.uk/

Evo 1 vs Evo 2 has always been some debate. Evo 1's have the 15" wheels and "smaller" Recaros and bigger turbo and NO cat. Evo 2's have 16" wheels, coloured roof guttering, a cat, a smaller turbo and bigger (gorgeous) Recaro seats. Evo 2 has a "bump" on the floor where the cat is on the drivers footwell.

Mine is an Evo 1. The seats on it are crap, sorry but they are. If I could get a set of Evo 2 seats I would-but people who sell them think they are worth more that they are. Also you can get 8v Evo 1's and 2's! They were a Swiss emissions dodge and to dispel a miff amongst the Integrale community they are actually pretty good. You have to be very very careful spotting them as there have been some owners who have tried to pass them off at 16v version.

Evo's have a tendency to suffer from chassis cracks and that is because that a lot of owners have changed the dampers/springs to "uprated" ones-bad idea as cracks appear all over the A-frame and various keys points in the chassis. An inspection is a MUST! A repair is economically suicide.

Rust seems to be an issue on the tailgate, rear roof section where the tailgate meets the roof (water gets trapped there), scuttle panel and also doors as the drainage holes get blocked. Also rust on the spoiler brackets is very common too..

Cambelts must be done every 3yrs without fail. Cambelt failure is very common. Allow 2000 a year for servicing!!!

Price wise, well this is the big problem. You can pick up an Evo for about 4500 and you will need to spend about 6000+ putting it right. As a guide spending 11000 on an Evo 1 should get you a sorted and "proper" car and 14000 upwards for an Evo 2. Evo 2 tended to come in lots of "special editions" such a Pearlto and Giallo Ginestra-though there are Evo 1's in yellow too-but be aware of colour changed cars. It’s very common.

Would I recommend one? Difficult. I love them, I love them lots. But they will break your heart if they go wrong and will annoy you. You have to remember the chassis is essentially a 1978 Lancia Delta! I also have a very very rare Lancia Delta HPE HF Evo 500 which is the new shape Delta and is 2WD as apposed to the 4WD Integrale. It’s awesome and I have had mine tuned and top speed is about 165mph ++. Handling of course is no where near as good as an Integrale but as a daily runner is fantastic. This one is the only one in the UK and I have had it for 6 years. I love it.

There is a very active forum here

http://login.prospero.com/dir-login/index.asp?webtag=evoforum&lgnDST=http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Edelphiforums%2Ecom%2F evoforum

There are some great guys on there and I used to post very regularly, but I rarely do now as frankly I don't have the time and there are a number of people on there who I cannot stand. The handbag moments that go on there are very amusing.

It is worth bearing in mind that there are loads for sale in the UK and hardly any left in Europe-don't take that as a good indication that the UK is the best place to buy because it isn't. Some of the best cars came from Switzerland, but when I was out there last week the cheapest car I could find was 12000!!

If you really really want one I might be able to help. Mine isn't for sale mind you :tongue3:

Here are both of mine and my sisters ex Punto and best mates TR :thumbsup:

Lagerlout
11-10-2006, 12:12 PM
Thanks very much for the info guys, PM sent.

Someone posted about the Wife not wanting to drive it. Mine won't even get in it. I've been told.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :laugh:

candellara
11-10-2006, 12:35 PM
N,

Fantastic drive - had an Evo 1 and yearn to get shot of the Merc and get back to one.

Evo 2 with high back Recaro's is the one to go for:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: or Martini 2 Special Edition

Jason

Lagerlout
11-10-2006, 12:52 PM
Yeah that's what's happened to me. Bored of my Audi, although not specifically getting rid of that for the Integrale, just can't live with a "normal" car. Life is too short eh!