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    Quote Originally Posted by sssdu01 View Post
    Mod I know you are never wrong, and know everything, but your words were he will sue for Ďmis-sellingí. so the first line mis-quote ??? - thats exactly what you said.
    Wow you too?

    This is like collective cognitive dissonance here I have cut and pasted it for you so you can see what was clearly not read

    "but he is considering that he will sue for Ďmis-sellingí. More and more of this will happen as these lev6 diesels donít work in urban settings / short journeys.

    Pretty key word you missed there.

    I even went further in a subsequent post to say I didn't think he would win but raised a technical point about fitness for purpose. I didn't claim anything or take a position other than that of the example of one consumer and then add some opinion about euro lev6 diesels and not being fit for purpose short journeys.

    I then get attacked for taking a position I didn't take and supposedly countering with an opinion of my own.

    The two combatants here are short on comprehension or they are speed reading and doing too much HRT

    Seriously gents FFS

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    Mod you are the U turn expert on this forum and what has Hormone Replacement Therapy got to do with anything ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by sssdu01 View Post
    Mod you are the U turn expert on this forum and what has Hormone Replacement Therapy got to do with anything ???
    So you accept you mis-quoted, jumped to a conclusion, and then decided to attack an argument or U-turn that was only in your imagination.

    Hmm my U-turns?

    1) I can think of buying an exhaust I didnít rate very highly but changed my mind when it was 1/3 the price and having tried four others.

    2) I can remember I was selling my 430 but then decided not to

    3) I can remember asserting that since the modern V8ís era a well specíd previous model is better than a Boggo subsequent model. That seemed to get a lot of people bent out of shape but U-turn?

    Youíll have to send the links of any others...

    The HRT was a whoosh moment...donít worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenC View Post

    Buying a car is not buying a regulated financial product where you need to know your client (some of the associated insurance products are). The decision on what car rests firmly with the buyer. If the buyer doesn't do the research to buy the right car then there is only one person to blame and it is not the salesman.
    I have never seen why financial products should require a salesman to be your dutch uncle. If someone is so dim they cant understand a simple pension plan, they shouldnt be out on the streets alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdseye View Post
    I have never seen why financial products should require a salesman to be your dutch uncle. If someone is so dim they cant understand a simple pension plan, they shouldnt be out on the streets alone.
    I might concur with you on a personal level and having never really bought PPI, extended warranties, critical injury insurance, endowment mortgages, pension plan or any other Ďproductí where people gamble with my money, I donít see why either BUT then...

    Donít you wonder why so many did and why the financial services industry has been forced to introduce the regulations it has.

    The PPI scandal alone shows that either we have wholescale dim-witted-ness or those steps ARE necessary to save people from doing things they donít really understand or need.

    In many sectors the people within it are experts and do it every day yet find it hard to empathise with those interacting with them are only ever going to be total amateurs. If you only do something once every five years and things change year on year how are you ever going to be anything but amateur?

    Itís like security staff and frequent flyers getting angry with annual holidaymakers at airport security for slowing them down and not knowing all the regulations.

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    An interesting article;

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/t...sb7&ocid=ientp

    Clearly not necessarily comparing like for like on types of cars and a number of variables wrt to electric power sources as it states, still, proves the point that electric cars, at the moment at least, are not the answer to all the environmentalists wows, as they would have you believe.

    We might get there one day, but I doubt it to be honest. Perfect for city centres etc, but for the rest of us....where did I put my Shell loyalty card again...

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    As you say interesting article but agree flawed on two major aspects for the European Reader.

    NO tesla model S is being bought as an alternative to a Mitsubishi super mini.

    The study is based on USA Mid-west (i.e. Coal fired) dirty electricity.

    It's a study that doesn't add anything to the current knowledge which is clear that on like for like vehicles like for like emissions inc end of life recycling are -35% for the hybrid (40% for the plug-in hybrid) and -45% for pure electric. Vs. Their petrol equivalents. For Diesel the public health case alone makes it a no contest.

    Even with dirty energy - moving emissions away from cities to where the fewer weirdos who don't like people live : is a good thing for public health

    Having said that you make an excellent point about the shell loyalty card. With mine I adopted to take my points in carbon offset projects which means that every time I fill and burn fossil fuels in my V12 I do it with a smug green halo - all I need now is She'll to issue me a simple virtue signalling sticker to shut up the Eco warriors.

    As an aside went to a client yesterday with a typical car park of middle managers - BMW plug in hybrids (530e and 330e) everywhere and the company busy installing charging points.
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    Yup I am probably am a weirdo and I certainly don't like other people much and hate cities!!! I'm generally happiest sat on my yacht up a deserted creek with the family, or out on an empty road in my Fcar, when its running!!!

    I'm not surprised about the BMW plug in hybrids, the tax breaks are suppose to be very good, in fact my boss has gone from a 320d to a plug in hybrid for exactly that reason.

    Whilst I'm all for saving the plant etc, I cant help thinking we will find ourselves in the same place with respect to electric cars we do with diesels now in 10 years, ie the gov doesn't think things through properly, incentivises everybody to get into the latest green scheme, only to realise later on it wasn't as green as they thought and then start to penalise people for it!

    But I fully agree diesels are not good, and never have been, but successive governments have incentivised them and hence the car manufacturers have responded and poured their R&D money into them, instead of other forms of energy.

    Time will tell!

    In the interim I have a F car to fix, get back on the road and burn some more good old fossil fuel

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    We've just had a charger installed. Out of about 350 employees (at a guess) two can use it. We have just two hybrid/electric cars amongst us.

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    The BMW plug-in hybrids will change all that. They have been deliberately engineered to provide a straight swap for the millions of middle class / middle managers that are currently driving their diesels. Count up how many Audi / BMW diesels you have in your car park and that will probably be your charging point needs for the next five years right there. The rest will turn into regular hybrids in a similar if not a little bit longer timeframe.

    It is certainly a case of "if you build it they will come" - I worked for a while with a wind energy company and they had a car park that was 50% charging points - within three years they needed more as staff got 'free' electricity from the turbine in the grounds.

    'Owt for nowt'
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