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Thread: [Advice Required] - F430 Coolant woes and some thoughts

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    Unhappy [Advice Required] - F430 Coolant woes and some thoughts

    Hello all,

    I am a new member and have decided to become a member to post a couple of questions because we are running out of options and some expert advice is neeed.

    I am from Cyprus and I am posting this for a family member who owns an F430 and is in need of some solid advice. I own a vauxhall myself anyway! Being on an island resources regarding non-average cars is scarce and in many cases wrong; hence the reason why we are here. It is a bit of a horror story so proceed with an empty stomach!

    Here is the story so far;

    1. The car has had been basically sitting in a garage for most of its life. It was a second hand car but before we got it it was still sitting in a garage.

    2. It was only started occasionaly maybe once a month if not less.

    3. There have been no modofications as far as I could tell other than cosmetic; except maybe from the intake manifold which might have been replaced for a carbon one.

    This is where it gets really ugly;

    4. The car has developed an issue where coolant was mixing with oil. We got the usual response from a mechanic for it being the head gasket or a cracked cylinder head.

    5. Somebody suggested that the oil cooler needed to be changed so they changed that.

    6. Of course that did not resolve the problem and then it worsened.

    Parental advisory needed for the next;

    7. The magnificent mechanics decided they had to pull out the engine so they could work on it (replacing the head gasket). I am also not sure that they even bothered pressure testing the cylinder head.

    8. The car is now sitting in the garage -bar the engine- and the engine at the mechanics' shop.

    9. In the mean time an "executive car dealer" jumped in wanting to buy the car suggesting he imports another f430 engine to put in this one and then to buy it back.

    10. Back at the mechanics they are trying to find a gasket kit.

    I would like your honest opinion; technical or not on what we should do with this.

    Regards to all.

    Evros

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    To be honest....have you tried FChat?
    You will get more response and also a lot of guesswork and nonsense but there are more 430 owners on there.
    You need to speak to a good technician over here but itís better if they reach out to you rather than me recommend one.

    Donít make any decisions based on what a car dealer is telling you.

    Good luck and I hope you get sorted......M


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    Thank you Mike, already on it!

    Evros

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    The modern metal head gaskets don't really deteriorate with age, just use, so I wouldn't have gone near there.

    I'd just like to confirm it was the heat exchanger that was replaced, which is number one in the following photo:
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    There's coolant in the oil, but can you please check if there is oil in the coolant? It may only be a film on top.

    The water and oil pump share the same shaft, and although it would be quite something for this to happen, I wonder if all of the seals have deteriorated and that's where the contamination is occurring.

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    As Mike says, FChat will have more users etc.

    But start at the basics.
    1) Did it run and if so how e.g. did it struggle to run or was it fine etc?
    2) Was the exhaust smoking at all, as this can also be a sign of head gasket failure?
    3) As said above, if there is water in the oil, is there oil in the water?
    4) How much oil/water was mixing and where did you see it?

    From the schematics the heat exchanger and oil/water pump (as said above) look most likely culprits to start diagnostic from.

    If the mechanics are "looking" for a gasket kit, I would suggest they are not familiar with F Cars, as a call to Eurospares/Superformance/Maranello et al would get you one on the first courier!!

    If you don't get any joy, you might want to think about getting the car back together and over to a very reputable mechanic somewhere in Europe; just a thought.

    Let us know how you go.

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    If it was the heat exchanger that was faulty (which has now been replaced ?), it takes a lot of effort to get the oil out of the water so even after its been fixed you will still get oil residue in the water, as the oil will float to the top and the 430 cooling system has lots of places that are very difficult to clean out

    My advice would be

    1 Find a proper mechanic
    2 Do proper fault finding and analysis to establish the most likely cause
    - Basic Head gasket check This should be chemical checks of the water system to see if any combustion residue is present
    - Basic Compression check of each cylinder - this is the secondary way to check head gasket
    - Leak down check on each cylinder - this is done with compressed air and again will help to pinpoint head gasket related issues
    - There are many other things you can do but a proper mechanic should know all these things.
    3 If the heat exchanger was changed then do advanced compression checks with compressed air, and the unit placed in water. You will soon find any leaks in it.

    If your mechanic cant prove that he has done these basics than you have gone to the wrong mechanic and my advice would be to take to car and engine away to either a proper mechanic who knows what he is doing, or put it on a ferry to take it to another country where you might be able to find a proper mechanic. I am no joking as an unskilled idiot could wreck the engine especially if he has taken off the cylinder head, as this involves disturbing camshafts etc and you need to know what you are doing.
    Also taking it to an experienced Ferrari expert, will have to bonus of them knowing what to look for with leaks etc.

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    This is a joke post? Yes?

    So you have a £100k car thatís been laid up and you let loose a bunch of unknowing cretins with no Ferrari knowledge????????

    I hate to think what youíd do if you needed brain surgery? Employ an equine vet?

    Get it into the hands of a specialist, or if not, then a dealer.....

    You need protecting from yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul71a View Post

    I hate to think what youíd do if you needed brain surgery? Employ an equine vet?
    There is a reality TV star in the white house who has nuclear weapons at his disposal..
    Last edited by cgt; 21-12-2017 at 09:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul71a View Post
    This is a joke post? Yes?

    So you have a £100k car thatís been laid up and you let loose a bunch of unknowing cretins with no Ferrari knowledge????????

    I hate to think what youíd do if you needed brain surgery? Employ an equine vet?

    Get it into the hands of a specialist, or if not, then a dealer.....

    You need protecting from yourself.
    .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgt View Post
    There is a reality TV star in the white house who has nuclear weapons at his disposal..
    And your point is

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