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tom
04-11-2005, 09:12 AM
Message from SafeSpeed

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The following PR went out today at 11:40 this morning:

PR251: Motorists: you must see Tonight tonight

news: STRICT EMBARGO 12:01am Friday 4th November 2005

Tonight with Trevor Macdonald on ITV this evening (8pm ,all regions) has
crucial information for all motorists. Do not miss it.

The programme addresses motorists fighting back against misused and misapplied
laws. In particular and importantly it addresses problems with an extremely
commonplace laser speed meter.

The film will explain how easy it is for the equipment to give an erroneous
reading.

Safe Speed believes that errors in laser speed meter readings are commonplace.
When errors are commonplace the equipment has been proved to be incapable of
gathering evidence 'beyond a reasonable doubt' as required by law.

With at least 5 million motorists convicted using this equipment in the last
five years the stakes are sky high. Many will have suffered considerable
hardship - ranging from increased insurance premiums to loss of driving
licence. At the high end of the scale people will have lost their jobs and
their homes as a direct consequence.

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign
(www.safespeed.org.uk) said: "I was present as an observer when the team from
Tonight with Trevor MacDonald were testing the LTI2020 laser speed meter. It
is clear to me that the equipment is unsuitable for obtaining legal evidence
against motorists because of the ease with which it can be confused."

"Clearly the Home Office did not adequately test the device before issuing
type approval. That type approval must now be withdrawn immediately. Pending
convictions must be dropped. The present situation is totally unacceptable."

"My advice to motorists is:

* Write to your MP demanding that type approval of the LTI2020 is suspended.
* See a solicitor if you have been accused or convicted based on laser speed
meter evidence.
* Challenge every ongoing case.
* Do not pay the fixed penalty ticket.
* If you have been convicted in the last five years, try to get the case re-
opened.
* If you have suffered losses because of faulty laser speed meter evidence
make a compensation claim."

<ends>

Notes for editors
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Tonight with Trevor MacDonald have repeated tests carried out by BBC 'Inside
Out' and The Daily Mail. The findings are always the same. The device makes
mistakes.

A laser is something that I haven't been done by, but if it's one less thing to worry about I'm all for proving them useless. Should be an interesting program anyway.

F328GTS
04-11-2005, 09:35 AM
A laser is something that I haven't been done by, but if it's one less thing to worry about I'm all for proving them useless. Should be an interesting program anyway.
Only just read this post Tom. Anything else to add that the PR didn't cover?

tom
04-11-2005, 09:56 AM
I know nothing about the programme or much about the furore over the lasers, just saw the above this morning and thought some of the guys here might be interested in it. I know some have been caught by these devices.

F328GTS
04-11-2005, 10:57 AM
I know nothing about the programme or much about the furore over the lasers, just saw the above this morning and thought some of the guys here might be interested in it. I know some have been caught by these devices.
When I read your post

"The following PR went out today at 11:40 this morning:

PR251: Motorists: you must see Tonight tonight"

I assumed it went out yesterday morning as it is not yet 11:40, and therefore tonight meant last night.

Will make sure I catch it tonight.

Cheers....

tom
04-11-2005, 11:09 AM
Must have been a typo or something I suppose :confused:

angelboy
04-11-2005, 11:33 AM
I've been shot with a laser gun about 2 years ago.
How would I go about making a claim?

Mind you, it was 50 in a 30...............(I won't go into the details but I thought it was a 50!)

Bromers
04-11-2005, 12:14 PM
Looks like it's worth watching though.

In Canada there was a political party that promised to ban speed camers - they got elected !! I think one of the parties here should go for it, I reckon they'd get a lot of votes.

Rick

A308 MAN
04-11-2005, 02:12 PM
what is a laser speed detector ?

(ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :doublepis :stop: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!)

F328GTS
04-11-2005, 11:45 PM
Anybody see this? I forgot :embarasse

A308 MAN
04-11-2005, 11:49 PM
Anybody see this? I forgot :embarasse
watchin' utds' greatest goals by any chance ???

steve f
05-11-2005, 12:01 AM
watchin' utds' greatest goals by any chance ???
have they scored any this year:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

400SPYDER
05-11-2005, 12:19 AM
have they scored any this year:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Thought you didn't like football - so how do you know they aint scored many ? :D:p

F328GTS
05-11-2005, 12:38 AM
watchin' utds' greatest goals by any chance ???
That was only a 3 minute programme, went out after that. :laugh:

tom
05-11-2005, 12:38 PM
Anybody see this? I forgot :embarasse
I recorded it, haven't had chance to watch any more than the first 5 minutes yet. The bit I saw was all about parking ticket technicalities.

noony
05-11-2005, 01:31 PM
Thought you didn't like football - so how do you know they aint scored many ? :D:p
where's ****nal in the league?

steve f
05-11-2005, 02:34 PM
where's ****nal in the league?
THIS IS ABOUT SPEED CAMERAS NONNY YOU BEEN DONE ON YOUR PUSH BIKE:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

tom
06-11-2005, 05:00 PM
I've just watched the programme. The first half was about arguing parking/speeding tickets due to signs not complying with the Road Traffic Act.
According to this, the parking bays outside my house, where I received a ticket last week, aren't displayed in accordance with the RTA and as such the fine is invalid. Result.

The second half moved on to the laser speed guns. The presenter of the programme was asked to take a reading from a stationary car, which came back at 8MPH. Cue much amazement from presenter and camera crew. This was due to the 'slip effect', where the laser beam isn't held in a static position on the car being targetted so produces skewed speed readings. The cameras have software to prevent this happening, but the chap with the PhD that ITV had on to demonstrate the laser, claimed it doesn't work properly. They then drove an Astra with a Road Angel on the dash, at the camera, to see how much the two reported speeds differed. The RA was at a steady 30mph, the reading from the laser was 35/36. The response from the Home Office was that the camera used in the programme wasn't calibrated properly and hence wouldn't be used by the police. Dr ITV said it was, usual two sides of the story stuff.

Oh, the airfield they were filming on was obviously hosting some sort of driving day as you could hear overrevved engines and squealing tyres in the background :laugh: