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WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 01:28 AM
Long Term WalkerSport Project.

We have aquired a 8616Km (from new) Ferrari 208 Turbo, this 2 litre V8 is quite a rare little thing, she has had a light knock in the O/S/F which has only damaged the box section wing carrier and nose of the car. The previous owner bought the car as a project, but died (after collecting a lot of rare parts) and the car was left (not the best conditions) under a carport for 7 years. Time for WalkerSport to bring her back to her former glory. She is HPI clear and ready for some love and attention.

Basic Specification;

Ferrari 208 GTB Turbo Nero LHD. 1991 cc Ferrari V8 Quad Cam, Single KKK turbo charger which operates at tiny 0.6 bar. Engine derivative F106D, 220BHP and 1284kg's.

One of only 437 cars ever produced worldwide.

She came to us in a pretty sorry state, but definately a viable rescue.

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 01:30 AM
The rear was mainly surface rust and damp corrosion from below...

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 01:33 AM
Engine bay will require a full recomissoning, surprisingly she still starts and runs (holding our breath for the belts sake!)..

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 01:35 AM
The interior is very good and will come back to a high level without any major works, the only real marks are from things being stored in the car..

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 01:42 AM
We are still trying to source the cars full history (we know some, but not everything), any help greatly appreciated!! Such a shame for a cracking little car, luckily kilometers are in her favor...

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 01:46 AM
Ok, so lets identify the main problem area's, We have highlighted them in grey primer..

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 01:52 AM
Since aquiring the little 208 I have been torn on whether to reconstruct the original panels - which would be a great deal of work and still give a compromised final finish or whether I should replace it and after consulting Steve W (cheques in the post Steve - posted on the day of the Strike I'm afraid :grin:) We have managed to aquire a new (used) front end - it just so happens that the cut in sector is exactly were I would like to cut the 208's panel out..

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 02:00 AM
With many thanks to Prosport - for the 308 front end and the new deep front spoiler (below) we are nearing the strip down process. I have penciled a date in February for the main bodywork project to begin, the engine will be lifted just before christmas as an early present to unwrap. :thumbsup: Lets hope it snows soon so I can play when we're a little quieter.

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 02:09 AM
We did ask the Ferrari Pirelli Classic race series if we could run the little 2 litre - but we received a flat NO! :cry: as the series runs a non turbo policy....shame because if we turned the turbo up from .65 bar to 1.2 bar we would achieve a pretty healthy BHP figure, although we would also have proper 1980's monster turbo lag! but hey..it would have been interesting!

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 02:18 AM
Time for the interior strip down, 10 minutes here and 5 minutes there....this is a long term project you know! :laugh:

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 02:28 AM
New windscreen and surround has arrived, they are very difficult to remove without damage / cracking so we aquired one just in case. The windscreen needs to be removed as the bulkhead needs refurbishment and we could not reach all the corrosion area without removal.

In a moment of enthusiasm we bought a new bonnet for her to save refurbishing the old one....without thinking we bought a RHD one - which have a different offset for the wiper arms....So if anyone is looking for a 308 RHD bonnet - we have one.:thumbsup:

T.

markst
04-12-2011, 08:25 AM
its looking good ......:thumbsup:

voicey
04-12-2011, 09:04 AM
Looks like you're making good progress. Will you be doing the bodywork yourself or contracting it out?

RobC
04-12-2011, 10:17 AM
This is the start of another Great thread,Well done Tim:thumbsup:

rmdferrari
04-12-2011, 10:18 AM
Interesting project on a rare car.... will definitely be keeping an eye on this. Thanks Tim. :thumbsup:

cgt
04-12-2011, 10:35 AM
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Nosevi
04-12-2011, 10:43 AM
Tim, remember you mentioning this project a while ago, great to see it's off and running. :thumbsup:

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 10:54 AM
Looks like you're making good progress. Will you be doing the bodywork yourself or contracting it out?

HI Voicey,

Its an in house job to keep me busy if we have a quiet moment or two. :thumbsup: so don't expect great progress on a daily basis, I am expecting her to take the best part of 12 months.

T.

Dazza
04-12-2011, 11:55 AM
HI Voicey,

Its an in house job to keep me busy if we have a quiet moment or two. :thumbsup: so don't expect great progress on a daily basis, I am expecting her to take the best part of 12 months.

T.

What's your plan when you finish her Tim?

sweeni
04-12-2011, 12:16 PM
Luvin this :thumbsup:

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 03:10 PM
O/S inner door card removed...

I'm not sure yet, we will most likely sell her and move onto another project, however I have always wanted one of these. :thumbsup:

T.

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 03:19 PM
Seats are next to be removed...

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 03:21 PM
I nice little reminder of her heritage (poor picture of a 500 lire coin) found under the seat. :)

T.

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 03:23 PM
Door seals removed by the removal of the retaining plate which is riveted on.

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 03:27 PM
Inner door plates removed, nothing sinister behind them, and the same underneath the door seals, nice and solid. :thumbsup:

Sorry for the out of focus shots, I cannot check them very well with my phone camera.

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 04:02 PM
The seat belts will be the next items to be removed, I will not strip down the doors until we are ready to get into the bodywork, they will then be disassembled and taken off the car for preparation and painting. The removal of the engine and gearbox is high on the agenda list, where I will then be able to remove the fuel tanks and check for corrosion in their bases which is a well known weakness.

I do love my job. :thumbsup:

T.

Harmitc
04-12-2011, 04:24 PM
My first Ferrari was a GTB Turbo the later 328 version. It had a big inter-cooler sitting on top of the V fed by a water cooled IHI. Went very well and one of the cars I still miss!

WalkerSport
04-12-2011, 04:30 PM
There is one for sale on car and classic at the moment, :thumbsup:

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C257020

T.

Harmitc
04-12-2011, 04:37 PM
Looks nice and at that price I wish I still had mine!:shocked:

irarref
05-12-2011, 09:20 AM
I am reading this thread and weeping! I tried to buy this car but was beaten to it.....BY YOU you scoundrel!!!!! :-( LOL

I was intending to convert it into a 208GTO

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300303564926?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_3091wt_1343

Nice to see it getting restored and look forward to seeing it finished :-)

WalkerSport
05-12-2011, 10:39 AM
:laugh: - It was only for sale for 8 months! It took 3 months before he came back to my original enquiry. (Motivated seller):thumbsup:

T.

stevew
05-12-2011, 10:43 AM
Since aquiring the little 208 I have been torn on whether to reconstruct the original panels - which would be a great deal of work and still give a compromised final finish or whether I should replace it and after consulting Steve W (cheques in the post Steve - posted on the day of the Strike I'm afraid :grin:) We have managed to aquire a new (used) front end - it just so happens that the cut in sector is exactly were I would like to cut the 208's panel out..

:grin:

Happy to be of some help Tim.You've deffo gone the right way with the front end, looking forward to watching the progress:thumbsup:

irarref
05-12-2011, 10:45 AM
Now your just rubbing salt into the wounds!!!

I'd only been looking for a car for about a week before I spotted it as IIRC it was listed under "projects" rather than "Ferrari" so only stumbled across it by accident and emailed straight away to be told that a sale had been agreed. If you ever put it up for sale for what you paid for it let me know and Illl write you a cheque there and then! ;-')

WalkerSport
05-12-2011, 05:16 PM
Just a few little jobs today, door striker plates removed, Replacement radiator preparation started and engine cover removed...

WalkerSport
05-12-2011, 05:27 PM
Who said anything about italian wiring......

WalkerSport
05-12-2011, 05:32 PM
A clearer look at the engine bay, and the Turbo :grin: Lots of work to be done in here! It really is not as bad as she may look.

WalkerSport
05-12-2011, 05:42 PM
One particular gauge that I cannot wait to see working again...

WalkerSport
05-12-2011, 05:52 PM
Quite surprisingly when we are lifting covers and flaps etc we are finding a rather healthy mechanical car, Certain parts are in exceptional condition. :thumbsup: This is a picture of the air box where the air filter sits.

rustywings
05-12-2011, 08:42 PM
208 badge missing I notice - happened to notice that Maranello have these at reasonable cost in a recent sales bulletin sheet - hope this is of help. -great thread too

L33
05-12-2011, 09:58 PM
Good work Tim - I'm sure this time next year she'll be a beauty.
Good luck with her,
Lee
:thumbsup:

WalkerSport
06-12-2011, 04:04 PM
The Expansion tank was removed today....I cannot get the cap off!!!

WalkerSport
06-12-2011, 04:07 PM
Underneath the expansion tank, plenty of work to do, most of it surface corrosion.

WalkerSport
06-12-2011, 04:10 PM
Then onto metering unit, In places this still looks like new and will refurbish easily. (remind me I said that later on):grin:

T.

WalkerSport
06-12-2011, 04:34 PM
I now need to remove the ancillary parts to access and eventually remove the turbo, Inside the turbo itself is in amazing condition, :thumbsup: Although 30 years old the fact the car has only done 5300 miles really shows in the more out of the way places.

cgt
06-12-2011, 04:37 PM
Tim, great job, cant wait to see the finished article. Would also be very interested to know the price when it is done.. :wink3:

WalkerSport
06-12-2011, 04:42 PM
An over view of the engine bay, still plenty to remove before lifting the engine out. The primary exhaust pipes are tiny - they would look better suited to a mini - which is not too far from the truth as each bank has a just under a 1000cc capacity. :shocked:

neil-f
06-12-2011, 05:35 PM
Great thread Tim thanks for taking the time to post:thumbsup:

WalkerSport
06-12-2011, 05:44 PM
Tim, great job, cant wait to see the finished article. Would also be very interested to know the price when it is done.. :wink3:

Thank you, its good to share. :thumbsup:

Just keep the offers rolling in, I may eventually give in! :grin:

T.

luckycolourblue
06-12-2011, 09:22 PM
I'd be interested to hear how it goes with a few little tweaks! Have you any plans to turn p the wick?

WalkerSport
06-12-2011, 09:34 PM
It depends on the final results and probably the next owners requirements, I have enough to keep me busy without thinking of performance upgades at this stage, if we had a yes to the entering her in the Pirelli Ferrari Classic then my whole approach would be about corner weights, gussets and boost. Now the car will be done with originality in mind with a few minor improvements where deemed beneficial.

T.

sidned
06-12-2011, 09:35 PM
Great work Tim. I love this type of thread! :thumbsup:

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 02:47 PM
I think there is a few more miles in these yet? The crack goes all the way around.

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 02:55 PM
The hubs and suspension components need a complete stripdown and rebuild, the brake disc's will be replaced, calipers rebuilt and new pads fitted.

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 03:04 PM
Shocks will be refurbished, the suspension springs tested then refurbished or replaced if they do do test well.

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 03:04 PM
Inner wheel arch liner out...

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 03:05 PM
Air intake removed, the retaining bracket has still on the car, the rivets had corroded through...

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 03:08 PM
Fuel tank retaining strap has corroded through and snapped (air intake still in place for this picture)...

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 03:10 PM
NACA duct does not go anywhere - it just puts more air into the engine bay...:shocked: (The turbo is cooled an air intake on the N/S)

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 03:13 PM
Aircon unit still in place, I can pretty much guarantee that this will not have R134 in it.

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 03:23 PM
Structural sections are in excellent health - so are many of the more hidden away areas.

WalkerSport
10-12-2011, 03:25 PM
Next week I will remove the turbo, exhaust and manifolds (subject to other commitments):thumbsup:

T.

roalda
10-12-2011, 03:41 PM
Keep up the good work mate:thumbsup:.
Regards Roy

WalkerSport
12-12-2011, 07:19 PM
Only a few spare minutes today..N/S wheel arch liner removed...

WalkerSport
12-12-2011, 07:21 PM
NACA duct (N/S) directly puts cold air onto the turbo...

WalkerSport
12-12-2011, 07:27 PM
Suspension components are in a similar state to the O/S...

WalkerSport
12-12-2011, 07:29 PM
Another unique item to the Turbo car! :thumbsup:...

markst
13-12-2011, 11:39 AM
Tim,

Great Stuff this.....:thumbsup:

Murph7355
13-12-2011, 06:52 PM
Top thread. I love 308s - if I were a bit smaller there would definitely be one in the garage.

I know you said you want to keep it original....but I wonder what the turbo clobber on a 308 block would be like...

WalkerSport
13-12-2011, 07:07 PM
Thats what the Mansel car was... (Cut from another forum) I think Gary from GT Auto has just set one up.

Offered here is very late 328 GTB, which has been the subject of an upgrade along the lines of the, still born, Group B 288GTO. (The 288GTO was designed by Pininfarina's design chief Leonardo Fioravanti and was based on the beautiful shape of 308GTB Quattrovalve. The twin-turbo V8 meant that the 288 was much lighter than a Testarossa and therefore faster).

This amazing motor car is equipped with a Twin Turbo 3.2 litre V8, producing around 405bhp. The chassis, transmission, brakes, wheels and tyres have all been upgraded to compensate for the additional power, while the bodywork has been enhanced with 288GTO styling. This upgrade was carried out by Emblem Sports Cars of Blandford (later sold to Nigel Mansell) in the early 1990's

The modifications include a 405bhp, Twin Turbo 3.2 litre V8 conversion, Two way adjustable quantum dampers with adjustable platform springs, 330 x 32mm Maranello Fiorano 550 pack front discs, Brembo 4 pot callipers front and rear, lightweight alloy HE 30 caliper brackets (one off), Speedline, split-rim alloy road wheels, 9 x18 front and 11 x 18 rear, Custom built exhaust, lighweight Magnesium gearbox housing for the "Quick Change" drop gear cluster and Momo steering wheel.


Obviously the above is a twin turbo but shows some idea of what's possible (even a long time ago), Gary said it had massive lag, then when it was on boost it was awesome, but the front end was so light that it did not want to stop

T.

Murph7355
13-12-2011, 07:15 PM
Ahhhhhh :)

WalkerSport
14-12-2011, 06:50 PM
I managed a few more minutes today - This is supposed to be the quiet season!

Inner NACA duct removed...

WalkerSport
14-12-2011, 06:52 PM
Oil cooler shroud removed and oil cooler - not in bad nealth but certainly due for a minor refurb...

WalkerSport
14-12-2011, 06:54 PM
Chassis plate etc...

WalkerSport
14-12-2011, 07:00 PM
Treated myself to a new engine hoist, Mike Stirland and I really struggled to fit a 328 engine with my old one a while back, eventually leaving a dent in the rear just below the number plate - I had just had the car painted too :cry3: This new one will reach much further and has a larger capacity too.:thumbsup:

voicey
14-12-2011, 07:41 PM
You can't beat treating yourself to new tools! Car looks reasonably solid from the photos.

WalkerSport
14-12-2011, 07:56 PM
Well it is Christmas! The car is very solid, the corrosion is surface but she warrants an extensive strip down and rebuild to reach the level I want her to be. :thumbsup: (Its right up your street really - just in case you pass this way and feel like you have nothing to do :grin:)

New ramp arrives in January too! :wink3: so I can keep most things in one place without shuffling back and too.

T.

WalkerSport
16-12-2011, 05:21 PM
I had an hour today while NavTrack fitted a new GPS tracker to one of our cars, so the urge to play was too great...

Some of the exhaust bolts are beyond friendly removal...

WalkerSport
16-12-2011, 05:24 PM
The main aim was removal of the aircon compressor, she has no gas in her as the matrix from the front is boxed on the floor!

WalkerSport
16-12-2011, 05:27 PM
Tensioner bearing still spins - well just about!

WalkerSport
16-12-2011, 05:31 PM
Pipes disconnected and Bobs your uncle...:thumbsup:

WalkerSport
16-12-2011, 05:34 PM
Mounting bracket removed and we start to have some space to work, - you can see why so many cars run without the aircon compressor fitted. Its a rather heavy item too.

Greg
16-12-2011, 05:42 PM
So did they use a brand new engine block, or just put bigger/thicker liners and smaller pistons in the 308 enigne?

WalkerSport
16-12-2011, 05:55 PM
There are differences, in the lubrication circuit / pick up points, additional oil feeds, cooling, and exhaust etc but essentially she is a sleeved down version of the same engine - its a big lump for a 2 litre.

T.

sweeni
16-12-2011, 09:07 PM
So you could make it a 3 litre then presumably :wink3: :hmmm:

WalkerSport
16-12-2011, 09:55 PM
No not really, the liners are still nikasil lined so you cannot rebore (I think Maranello only had a few left a couple of years ago - i'm not sure if they have any more these days :hmmm:), if you want more power you can turn the boost pressure up, fitting 3 litre pistons would give a too high compression ratio - which would then need to be machined and start a hole new headache - plus the costs of a complete engine rebuild and so on. The gearing, advance and cams are designed for the 2.0L Turbo I think it would be a very bad decision to go down a route where you do not know where it will end.

So until she has a buyer who would like to spec her, standard / original is the target.

T.

markst
22-12-2011, 06:11 PM
Tim.......done any more work on this car ??


...or are you saving the posts up for christmas

WalkerSport
22-12-2011, 07:57 PM
HI Mark,

Sorry I have been a bit pre-occupied with a last minute rush of sales for Xmas pressies :grin: (not cars):thumbsdow We closed up today and will resume work after a little break.
I have reserved bodyshop space from the 17th Feb for her cosmetic preparation. My next job is to pop the engine out and start recommisioning it.
Brakes, suspension, anti roll bars, pipes, wiring etc will be done after she is cosmetically prepared (external) so when she is all lovely again, I will strip these components (not wiring), refurbish them and refit - oh and eventually pop the engine back in :wink3:.

Don't worry there will be plenty works documented shortly. :thumbsup:

To be continued...

markst
22-12-2011, 08:45 PM
sometimes i wish i had a workshop like that - where i could work on cars in my spare time.....hmmmm.....maybe when we move :thumbsup:

WalkerSport
01-01-2012, 10:46 PM
I popped down to the warehouse today to make sure everything was ok, I only had 20 mins but a little tinkering could not be helped.

I popped of the rear bank cam belt cover to have a little look, the tensioner bearing has seen better days, the cam belt is over ten years old! :shocked: the cam seals are dry...too dry!

T.

WalkerSport
01-01-2012, 10:48 PM
Just a quick look under the distributor cover...lovely under here!

T.

WalkerSport
17-01-2012, 05:56 PM
Started to strip down the front wheel arch liners today, the rivets were ground off and the bonding was cut through with a sharpe blade. O/S wheel arch first.

WalkerSport
17-01-2012, 05:59 PM
Although there are cobwebs the inside of this car is a surprise everytime we remove something.

WalkerSport
17-01-2012, 06:01 PM
Nearside next.

The wiper motor looks like new!

WalkerSport
17-01-2012, 06:04 PM
I really am not looking forward to sorting this out...:shocked: I can see that the most difficult part of getting this car sorted is straight in front of me! :cry3:

roalda
18-01-2012, 09:36 PM
Chuck a few meatballs in there and some parsley, you got a lovely meal.:laugh:

WalkerSport
18-01-2012, 11:23 PM
:laugh:

hummm! :hmmm: maybe a heater. aircon and front lighting is not required after all?

T.

roalda
19-01-2012, 11:01 PM
:laugh:

hummm! :hmmm: maybe a heater. aircon and front lighting is not required after all?

T.

Try Halfords. :thumbsup:

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 10:23 PM
Rear compartment attention today, Basic strip down - carpet first...

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 10:26 PM
Not forgetting to remove the self tapping studs first...

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 10:27 PM
Carpet lifted out...

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 10:30 PM
Then rear shields...

And removal...

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 10:34 PM
View with the carpet etc removed...

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 10:39 PM
The rear cavalino rampante has tried to be pulled off at some point...

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 10:46 PM
The other badges also...

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 10:53 PM
Bulb holders removed ready to remove lenses...

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 11:00 PM
An opportune moment to pop out the rear parcel shelf ready for retrimming.

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 11:05 PM
The fixing bolts are in poor shape. The centre cover has to be removed first - the fixing bolt is underneath the centre of the rear window.

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 11:07 PM
The two side pieces of the parcel shelf are removed from the engine bay also...

The top seat belt fixing needs to be undone...

Michael_360_Modena
23-01-2012, 11:12 PM
A great thread Tim. Good luck.

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 11:12 PM
Aerial removed - It was seized on so I had to colapse the top nut and take it apart piece by piece...

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 11:16 PM
The current view - so much to do, stage by stage she'll get there. :thumbsup:

WalkerSport
23-01-2012, 11:17 PM
Couldn't resist a little clean up in here...:grin:

WalkerSport
24-01-2012, 06:55 PM
Heat shield and water pipe removed...

WalkerSport
24-01-2012, 06:56 PM
Alternator top bracket removed, then lower pivot bolt...

WalkerSport
24-01-2012, 06:58 PM
Heat shield still in place on the back of the alternator, which has to be removed to disconnect from the car.

WalkerSport
24-01-2012, 07:00 PM
Lots more room now to remove the forward manifold. The tensioner bearing in this shot is not looking very clever!

voicey
24-01-2012, 09:16 PM
Lots more room now to remove the forward manifold. The tensioner bearing in this shot is not looking very clever!

I don't know, I think it's got a couple more seconds in it before it gives up...

Michael_360_Modena
26-01-2012, 10:01 PM
Any more Tim?

WalkerSport
27-01-2012, 01:49 AM
Hi Michael,

There's always plenty to do on the 208...however time is not quite so generous at the moment, the day to day of the business means I cannot always progress with the little one. I intend to lift the engine out next week - the thread with then divert to the engine recommisioning as the bodywork has been pushed back till the end of Feb due to other paint commitments. As she progresses the works will be posted here same day!

Thanks for dropping in!

T.

Michael_360_Modena
27-01-2012, 08:23 AM
Sounds good. Great work.

WalkerSport
01-02-2012, 05:35 PM
Really struggling to get any time at the moment, but an hour earlier today managed to progress her a little.


Gearlinkage undone....

WalkerSport
01-02-2012, 05:37 PM
Drive shafts split....

WalkerSport
01-02-2012, 05:40 PM
Lifted out the rear parcel shelf, Heat shield is batter better quality than that fitted to a 328...

WalkerSport
01-02-2012, 05:41 PM
Getting ahead of myself with some nice new parts...

WalkerSport
01-02-2012, 05:43 PM
Starting to run out of boxes, there is so many parts that have to be removed. I think I can remember where they all came from!

WalkerSport
01-02-2012, 05:49 PM
The Engine mounts have been undone, the only part now that will take any time (before we lift the engine) is the final couple of exhaust bolts that are a nightmare to reach, I can see me sitting with a hacksaw blade, with no skin left on my knuckles thinking about how straight forward non turbo cars are! wishing that carbide disks could cut around corners, I cannot even get an oxy torch in there...:wall:

Hopefully 2 hours tomorrow will see them give up.

T.

irarref
01-02-2012, 05:51 PM
Not sure what your talking about looks like but would a multitool work?

WalkerSport
01-02-2012, 06:13 PM
We have large contingent of cutting equipment, mainly airtools, but a tool kit is not complete without a trusty dremel - the cutting disc is way too small for this problem. A hacksaw it is i'm afraid!

T.

markst
02-02-2012, 06:12 PM
A hacksaw it is i'm afraid!T.

:shocked::shocked:

WalkerSport
02-02-2012, 10:43 PM
Hi Mark,

I'm only cutting the bolts!!!:laugh:

I have 2 left before I can remove the manifold, The exhaust system is undamaged. :thumbsup:

T.

voicey
03-02-2012, 09:33 AM
Would one of these work mate? (www.amazon.co.uk/Silverline-794340-Flexi-Drive-Shaft/dp/B000T9R0B4)

You'd need to buy the Silverline rotary tool but they are only a few quid.....

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 04:50 PM
My planned morning got cancelled earlier...so I had a chance to get stuck into the 208. :thumbsup:

First job was to cut the last two remaining exhaust bolts, My hands now look like they have a close running with a cheese grater, but sacrafice and reward, they gave up! Then stage buy stage the system started comming apart...

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 04:54 PM
Ok, Silencer off next, with its extra pieces still in place...

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 04:55 PM
Turbo unit off next as a complete unit...

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 04:58 PM
Rear manifold should be nice and easy to remove with all the new space in there...

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 05:00 PM
Carb and Injection cars are so much easier to work on! View of diff unit from above now the exhaust has been removed...

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 05:01 PM
Underneath looking up into the cylinder head...

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 05:04 PM
Start to work toward the front manifold by removing the joining pipe...

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 05:07 PM
Engine and gearbox is now just sitting on the chassis cross members, The mounts will be lifted out with the engine, they are bolted to the chassis from underneath...

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 05:13 PM
Last water pipe disconnected, Sensors unplugged, and starter motor connections undone. I just need to fully remove the drive shafts to give clearance for the engine to come out.

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 05:23 PM
The analyzing pipes will need either replacing or remaking, not difficult with a brake flaring tool, I will need to research the original metal.:hmmm: or maybe for the 175 i'll just buy a new one!

WalkerSport
06-02-2012, 05:25 PM
Run out of time, just a few mins left to pop the first rear light out, hopefully I will be able to grab a few minutes to remove th drive shafts tomorrow, we'll see...

WalkerSport
07-02-2012, 04:34 PM
Ok on we go!

Drive shafts out!

WalkerSport
07-02-2012, 04:37 PM
Two straps carefully threaded around the engine...

WalkerSport
07-02-2012, 04:39 PM
Had to lift the car up to get the hoist under the car...

WalkerSport
07-02-2012, 04:48 PM
Engine has to lean back to clear the suspension components...the more hands available the easier the job is...

WalkerSport
07-02-2012, 04:54 PM
The engine bay void! its really a rather large space in here...

WalkerSport
07-02-2012, 04:59 PM
The engine!...as Enzo would say 'you pay for the engine and get the car for free' recommissioning work will start here shortly. :thumbsup:

WalkerSport
07-02-2012, 05:03 PM
Time to focus on other things (for a few days). The project will then split into two, Engine recommissioning and bodywork, I need to strip the main body work down further ready for the panel graft and corriosion refurbishment works.

To be continued!:thumbsup:

swede
09-02-2012, 10:15 PM
Nice thread, just a quick off topic question, the new lower front spoiler where are they available from please.

Thanks, Alan

irarref
09-02-2012, 10:22 PM
Nice thread, just a quick off topic question, the new lower front spoiler where are they available from please.

Thanks, Alan

This isnt suitable is it?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ferrari-308-GTB-GTS-Front-Lower-Spoiler-Valance-/160728829535?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item256c2f4e5f#ht_500wt_1202

WalkerSport
09-02-2012, 10:27 PM
Hi Jeff, thats not a deep front spolier one, Prosport are the chaps! Speak to Mike. :thumbsup:

http://www.prosport-ferrari.co.uk/

T.

WalkerSport
13-02-2012, 02:46 PM
A quick degrease of the engine before any work starts to commence, will make the whole job a lot easier, before and after pic below...

markst
13-02-2012, 04:26 PM
i expect to see that all polished up later on :thumbsup:

grahamjazz
13-02-2012, 08:30 PM
I think the oil filter will need a coat of paint !!.Graham

t1grm
13-02-2012, 08:36 PM
I think the oil filter will need a coat of paint !!.Graham

Or maybe a new one :) I think you can take originality too far! :D

Mulc
13-02-2012, 10:44 PM
Fantastic thread Tim. Really enjoying it.:thumbsup:

WalkerSport
13-02-2012, 11:17 PM
i expect to see that all polished up later on :thumbsup:

Yes Sir! Spotty dog clean! Sir!

roalda
14-02-2012, 09:18 PM
It should look like this when it's finished ay Tim?
http://www.cummingsofbodmin.co.uk/stock-5253.htm

markst
14-02-2012, 09:44 PM
on a par with this then .....:thumbsup: :grin:

roalda
14-02-2012, 09:48 PM
Is the intake a retro fit?

Murph7355
14-02-2012, 10:30 PM
Is the intake a retro fit?
Certainly looks different to the one on Tim's. Looks like it might have some sort of intercooler on it?

WalkerSport
14-02-2012, 11:57 PM
That is picture of the later car based on the 328 which had an intercooler and raised bootlid section.:thumbsup:

The Cummings car is rather lovely..although needs some minor work...i would be happy to take it on! :laugh:

T.

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:01 PM
well its about time we the engine recommissioning was started....Just a quick check to make sure all the plug leads were numbered correctly and could be read.

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:10 PM
Forward bank first, Ign leads off and cap as one...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:12 PM
Rotor arm slips off, then mounting case...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:14 PM
View of seal that will be replaced and a view up the cam shaft...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:16 PM
Cam shaft end cap removed, no gasket is re-usable - now we can split the cam cover off...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:20 PM
I am glad that this cam cover has not been removed before, ni silicone sealant, just gaskets, she splits nice and easy, the breather pipe stays attached until the cam cover is lifted...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:23 PM
Cam cover lifted and the breather pipe slips off...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:25 PM
Beautiful in here, no wear to cam lobes, I could not resist a quick timing check (even though I have only lifted the one cam cover so far)...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:27 PM
Spot on! ...Top picture is the intake cam and the bottom the exhaust...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:29 PM
OK, now the rear bank...same again...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:32 PM
Just like big Lancia twin cams!

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:36 PM
Cam cover is ready to come off again, this time there is silicone sealant - someone has sealed this bank down with silicone...:thumbsdow

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:41 PM
Timing marks are out - only a little, and may not be correctable without a vernier cam pulleys, when most cam belt changes take place they paint a mark on the cam wheels and stick to those markings, this is the only way to time the engine correctly, Intake cam is the first picture, then exhaust below...

WalkerSport
02-03-2012, 06:43 PM
Time to remove that horrible oil filter too!(maybe we sould ebay it)...

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 07:42 PM
Air camber / collector is next to come off...

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 07:43 PM
Carefull not to drop anything...

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 07:45 PM
Time to strip down the chamber itself...

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 07:47 PM
After a quick degrease, a warm in the oven (we have a little baby belling for this job and crinkle finishing).

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 07:50 PM
After a quick rub down a heavy coat in crinkle finish paint, this needs to cure for around 2 - 3 hours before baking, Pictures were taken straight after paint was applied, the finish will come with time and then finally more so when baked.

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 07:52 PM
The new belts, tensioner bearings and oil filter...

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 07:54 PM
Next up is the belt tensioner, three nuts remove the whole assembly...

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 07:58 PM
The bearing is seized onto the shaft, then under the pressure of the puller the 2nd race splits...luckily I have a smaller puller for exactly situations like this...

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 08:00 PM
Put back together (just for the picture) with bearing in place.

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 08:03 PM
Time to check the water pump bearing and tidy up that pulley, once again, reluctant to come off the shaft...

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 08:07 PM
The tensioner bearing adjuster will be stripped back down, cleaned and refitted, the water pump bearing is smooth so the pulley will be refurbished and refitted, the water pump itself will be removed for inspection. Once the seals and gaskets have arrived I will then time the engine and reassemble.

T.

voicey
05-03-2012, 08:25 PM
Good to see some paint going on something - somehow I thought you were miles away from tarting stuff up!

WalkerSport
05-03-2012, 08:27 PM
It helps keep morale up! :thumbsup: Its nice to side track a little.

T.

WalkerSport
07-03-2012, 06:43 PM
Airbox reassembled. :thumbsup: Light grey at the rear is the dust from airdrill and rotary pad used to reveal the 'Turbo' script.

markst
07-03-2012, 06:50 PM
thats nice :thumbsup:

WalkerSport
07-03-2012, 06:58 PM
Thanks Mark, it certainly beats this...

irarref
07-03-2012, 07:02 PM
What do you do to stop the script weathering and going dull? Ie. do you put some clearcoat on etc?

WalkerSport
07-03-2012, 07:09 PM
Keep polishing it :grin: You could apply a clear coat which would also edge the crinkle paint :hmmm: good idea! :thumbsup:

T.

barabus
07-03-2012, 07:17 PM
Airbox reassembled. :thumbsup: Light grey at the rear is the dust from airdrill and rotary pad used to reveal the 'Turbo' script.Amazing how good a freshly baked crinkle jobby looks. :dude::thumbsup:

Mulc
07-03-2012, 07:42 PM
:hmmm::hmmm: Just wondering. Wouldn't it have been better to bead blast the airbox prior to painting? Get the chips out and to stop possible delamming?
Great threat this mate. :thumbsup:

irarref
07-03-2012, 08:12 PM
Ah right was just wondering as I was thinking of doing it to my brake calipers

WalkerSport
07-03-2012, 08:32 PM
:hmmm::hmmm: Just wondering. Wouldn't it have been better to bead blast the airbox prior to painting? Get the chips out and to stop possible delamming?:

I actually don't have a bead blaster :shocked: I get a chap in! the airbox was rubbed down before any paint was applied though, air dusted then painted - now that it has been baked there should be no lifting of any old paint. :thumbsup:

T.

Murph7355
07-03-2012, 09:51 PM
What do you do to stop the script weathering and going dull? Ie. do you put some clearcoat on etc?
I'd wipe with WD40.

Well, I wouldn't as I notoriously can't be arsed cleaning cars. So I'd leave it for 6mths-1yr and then get DaveZ over. He'd suck through his teeth, moan about the state of it and call me a lazy ******* before proceeding to eat biscuits (having noted he's on a diet) and making it look brand new.

Top work Tim.

:grin:

roalda
07-03-2012, 11:33 PM
Did the Sunday roast taste of paint Tim?:laugh:

vjktpd
11-03-2012, 10:28 PM
Put my 456 covers in the dishwasher on hot. 3 cycles and all old paint off, then grey etch primer 2 coats, crinkle 4 coats, clear lacquer 2 coats. Will take a pic tomorrow but here's a library pic of same job on 456m.

markst
11-03-2012, 10:39 PM
i hope when we move i can get a house with a nice garage to actually keep a car in :thumbsup:...i love pottering around doing things up....

i remember rebuilding the engine on my triumph spitfire when i was a wee lad :thumbsup:

WalkerSport
12-03-2012, 03:15 PM
Timed the engine today, Pic with belts fitted...

WalkerSport
12-03-2012, 03:16 PM
The all important timing marks....now in the right place...:thumbsup:

WalkerSport
13-03-2012, 04:58 PM
I decided that I need a shot blaster....so I made one today and put it to good use...:thumbsup:

irarref
13-03-2012, 05:09 PM
Indulge my ignorance but your the 2nd person recently whose mentioned factory timing marks not in the right place. Why is that - totally confused?!!

WalkerSport
13-03-2012, 05:12 PM
I was not happy with the plenum chamber so I started again...

WalkerSport
13-03-2012, 05:14 PM
Indulge my ignorance but your the 2nd person recently whose mentioned factory timing marks not in the right place. Why is that - totally confused?!!

Because service agents do not remove the cam cover to replace the belts, they mark the cam wheels and stick a new set on, its not a very accurate way...as you can see! but saves costs of gaskets each belt change.:thumbsup:

I hope that helps.

T.

WalkerSport
13-03-2012, 05:17 PM
The plenum spindle was a problem, the two screws would not come undone (in normal circumstances thats a good thing) so I have had to mask up the unit with it still in place, I decided not to break what did not need fixing.

WalkerSport
13-03-2012, 05:21 PM
Just enough time to clean up a few ancillary parts too...

voicey
13-03-2012, 06:23 PM
Nice work. What did you use to make the blasting gun?

WalkerSport
13-03-2012, 07:09 PM
Nice work. What did you use to make the blasting gun?

The blasting guns are available from Aldi at the moment for 9.99 :grin: but i'm sure looking at it thats its just a spray gun with the nossle removed really. Works well though. :thumbsup: Normally they are in containment boxes with built in gloves to reduce dust and pain.

T.

stocky
13-03-2012, 10:37 PM
Not commented on this thread yet but just wanted to say a quick "thankyou" for taking the time to show all these pics , it makes fascinating viewing , I used to be a mechanic but changed career in 2001 , it makes me want to start tinkering again !! Really appreciate it (as i,m sure many others do ) Andy.

sweeni
13-03-2012, 11:00 PM
The blasting guns are available from Aldi at the moment for 9.99 :grin: but i'm sure looking at it thats its just a spray gun with the nossle removed really. Works well though. :thumbsup: Normally they are in containment boxes with built in gloves to reduce dust and pain.

T.

...plus 99.99 for the compressor :cry:

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 01:09 AM
...plus 99.99 for the compressor :cry:

Hi David,

Most of the tools I use are air powered, so I take it for granted that everyone has a compressor - oops!, however once you get airtool equipped then pretty much everything is covered eg;

Air impact gun - easy heavy nut / bolt removal
Air ratchet - handy for difficult to reach places
Air drill - very fast
Air blow jet - to blow dirt and moisture away
Air chisel - compact impact device
Air cutter - like a big dremmel
Air blaster (my new addition)
Tyre inflator - saves footpump legs!
Air sheet metal cutter - beats snips anyday!
Paint gun (real paint)
Air DA - polisher
Air hammer
Air die grinder

I hope my wife never reads this! :laugh: I'd never hear the end of it.....do you really need all those tools!:wink3:

T.

voicey
14-03-2012, 09:08 AM
do you really need all those tools!:wink3:

T.

The optimal number of tools for any man is x + 1, where x = the current number of tools owned.

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 04:37 PM
Time to repaint the plenum, this will be baked tomorrow after curing overnight...

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 04:39 PM
Seal & gasket kit arrived today (2 kits shown)...

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 04:40 PM
Distibutor seals are first to be done...

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 04:42 PM
Quick clean and degrease of the casing and time to press the new seal in...

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 04:46 PM
The end plates to be cleaned next...

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 04:49 PM
Cam covers next, I have decided to paint them rather than just clean them and keep them original, I prefer the look and it is a turbo engine. :thumbsup:...

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 04:51 PM
Shot blast first, then the manual clean up begins...

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 04:54 PM
Then masked off and painted (after being cleaned again) then left to dry overnight before being baked...

WalkerSport
14-03-2012, 04:57 PM
:thumbsup:

Mike01606
14-03-2012, 09:25 PM
A nice 208 Turbo on PH.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3591360.htm

625 miles on the clock.

WalkerSport
15-03-2012, 06:57 PM
New gasket laid in place, note that the little strap part of the gasket has not been cut off yet seen at the bottom of the picture and either side...

WalkerSport
15-03-2012, 06:59 PM
The straps have now been cut off...

WalkerSport
15-03-2012, 07:00 PM
Quick clean of the breather pipe...

WalkerSport
15-03-2012, 07:02 PM
And time to fit the cam covers, the breather pipe must be fitted before the 2nd cam cover is fully placed down. I am quite pleased with the results so far...

WalkerSport
15-03-2012, 07:04 PM
The next job is to replace rusty nuts, jubilee clips and tatty hoses...maybe next week. :)

T.

imapadlock
15-03-2012, 07:56 PM
Looks awesome! Well done :)

sidned
15-03-2012, 08:50 PM
Stunning. Can't wait for the next update! :thumbsup:

markst
15-03-2012, 09:10 PM
Stunning. Can't wait for the next update! :thumbsup:

+1

phillg
16-03-2012, 08:14 AM
When this car is complete,an open morning will be required so that we can all come and view it:wink3:

The results look terrific so far.

simwra
16-03-2012, 10:25 PM
+1:thumbsup:

Murph7355
17-03-2012, 10:28 AM
Looking good!

Does a standard 308 engine have that many hoses sprouting from it? Looks a bit like it was designed and built, and as they found issues they added hoses etc :)

WalkerSport
17-03-2012, 11:30 AM
They only look so many because the same pipe is looped around to keep it out of the way etc and I have not removed the fuel injection fuel lines. :thumbsup:

(The carb car has a far simpler layout, in fact the engine bay almost looks like something is missing!

T.

t1grm
03-05-2012, 09:30 AM
Since we've just had an update on the Daytona and Dino resto threads it's about time we had an update on this one too. What's the latest Tim? :)

WalkerSport
03-05-2012, 03:18 PM
I'm due to get back on with the little 208 in the next few weeks, I am very pleased to say that we are operating at capacity at the moment and just do not have the time to spare, :presents1: I have set a mental note to start the bodywork shortly after Oulton park on May 12th.

T.

sandy430
19-06-2012, 07:57 AM
Can't wait for an update, I love to see the time people spend on these projects and how they develop. The only problem is that it stops me getting on with my own.

WalkerSport
21-06-2012, 11:51 PM
I know I know....lots of posts comming soon, we have actually moved the little 208 into the bodyshop now, the new engine pipes and hoses are ready for fitting and a box of parts ready to be sodium cleaned is awaiting dropping off to be done.

T.

Yorkshirelad
06-09-2012, 03:43 PM
where did you get with this project ??

WalkerSport
06-09-2012, 03:58 PM
Were getting there!!!! the jig that we use to line up the front end before we fit the new section was not ideally suited to the job so we have managed to long term borrow a different type of jig and the car is now sitting on that, the old front section has been removed...and thats about it, the engine is ready but were a bit tied up with more pressing works at the moment, Pictures will follow soon.

T.

WalkerSport
31-10-2012, 12:46 AM
Picture of the front end with sections removed...

WalkerSport
31-10-2012, 12:49 AM
O/S sill removed...:thumbsup:

WalkerSport
31-10-2012, 12:50 AM
Shiney new sill freshly folded. :)

WalkerSport
31-10-2012, 12:53 AM
Old section requires work before mating process can begin...

imapadlock
31-10-2012, 01:32 AM
Some hard work going into this! Fair play :)