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spiderscott
15-12-2018, 01:36 AM
Ive started working on my 308 project. The car is a US Spec 308 GTS QV 1983, its a none runner and I plan to rebuild it and also do a US to Euro conversion. Follow the progress here on on my YouTube Channel @Ratarossa


https://youtu.be/4AAsGkOnFq0

spiderscott
15-12-2018, 01:36 AM
episode 2 here.


https://youtu.be/-okZ0mBDzeU

spiderscott
15-12-2018, 01:36 AM
Episode 3


https://youtu.be/kFKn5UWK8_8

spiderscott
15-12-2018, 01:37 AM
Episode 4

https://youtu.be/j7i93YN6Tc0

Nosevi
15-12-2018, 09:24 AM
Interesting project. Look forward to watching :thumbsup:

MWStewart
15-12-2018, 10:39 AM
Fit a new battery, give it a full service, then ideally flush out the fuel tanks before starting.

spiderscott
15-12-2018, 10:57 AM
New battery acquired this morning.

No idea when the car last ran so its likely I will need to flush out the fuel system. I had the same with my Testarossa and eventually with the help of some RedEx it recovered itself and sounds perfect now.

spiderscott
18-12-2018, 02:09 AM
Episode 5 of the 308 Project just uploaded here, some interesting discoveries today.

https://youtu.be/fes_xT7gl_Y

spiderscott
18-12-2018, 07:48 PM
A bit more progress today on the 308 project car

https://youtu.be/3cnru5yXPRA

MWStewart
18-12-2018, 10:12 PM
Getting there. That wiring...

spiderscott
19-12-2018, 08:43 PM
Getting there. That wiring...


yer not great at all, but gradually figuring it out and fixing it.

spiderscott
19-12-2018, 08:44 PM
More progress today with the 308 project car.

https://youtu.be/vZh9_he3xZc

spiderscott
20-12-2018, 07:12 PM
little bit more tinkering on the project today


https://youtu.be/9-kbYIcqYCc

Quigs
21-12-2018, 03:32 PM
Scott - Have you taken the fuel lines off the top of the metering head and measured the flow through the head? You might need to start further back than the injectors. They are also quite simple to rebuild with a little patience.

I also replaced all the flexi pipes as both these and the rigid pipes were pretty gummed up! They are also notorious for splitting!

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spiderscott
23-12-2018, 02:43 AM
https://youtu.be/JlbOdrkD2DA

episode 9

sssdu01
23-12-2018, 09:26 AM
https://youtu.be/JlbOdrkD2DA

episode 9

Good luck with your project.

I just had my first look at your youtube (episode 9 ) and just an observation I think they are too long with repeating the same information, and I think they would be better if you where more concise. e.g you could have said I got a new compression tester today and turned the first two minuets into 5 seconds :)

MWStewart
23-12-2018, 05:30 PM
https://youtu.be/JlbOdrkD2DA

episode 9
I would start looking at the valvetrain on the affected bank; It would be very unusual to have a bore issue on all four cyls leading to the same compression figures.

F355GTS
23-12-2018, 07:24 PM
I would start looking at the valvetrain on the affected bank; It would be very unusual to have a bore issue on all four cyls leading to the same compression figures.


tempted to suggest a cam timing/ belt issue, maybe it slipped some teeth that's taken the valves out

MWStewart
23-12-2018, 07:29 PM
tempted to suggest a cam timing/ belt issue, maybe it slipped some teeth that's taken the valves out
That's what I suspect - I'm unsure what access is like on the 308 but its hopefully something that can be checked in-situ.

Mike01606
24-12-2018, 12:22 AM
Caught up tonight and enjoyed the vids to date.

i must say I admire your commitment working on a narrow drive in winter with no weather protection or light. Iíll not complain about my narrow garage again :thumbsup:

Iíd echo the other comments about a possible valve timing issue......

Keep the updates coming......

355OXO
24-12-2018, 10:33 AM
Great thread, I know what it's like to restore a car in a single garage with a single drive. Hats off to you particularly looks very cold. :thumbsup:

spiderscott
24-12-2018, 04:20 PM
Good luck with your project.

I just had my first look at your youtube (episode 9 ) and just an observation I think they are too long with repeating the same information, and I think they would be better if you where more concise. e.g you could have said I got a new compression tester today and turned the first two minuets into 5 seconds :)

Yes totally appreciate the feedback, all taken on board. With this build the car was a none runner purchase so its a bit of a journey that's happening real time with everyone along for the ride with me, discovering all the issues as they appear.

spiderscott
24-12-2018, 04:22 PM
I would start looking at the valvetrain on the affected bank; It would be very unusual to have a bore issue on all four cyls leading to the same compression figures.

Yes agree will certainly be doing a lot more investigation prior to pulling the engine.

spiderscott
24-12-2018, 04:26 PM
Caught up tonight and enjoyed the vids to date.

i must say I admire your commitment working on a narrow drive in winter with no weather protection or light. Iíll not complain about my narrow garage again :thumbsup:

Iíd echo the other comments about a possible valve timing issue......

Keep the updates coming......


Thanks Mike appreciate the encouragement. I have just sold one of my 355's now so shortly will have another garage space. The dilemma now is I also wanted to pull the engine on the Ratarossa and do a full refresh, belts, pipes etc this winter the extra space had been earmarked for that. MMMMmmmmm what to do 308 or Testarossa.

francisn
24-12-2018, 07:17 PM
Hi Scottie, just found time to look at all the episodes. Good stuff.

Is that at your house or somewhere else? I don't recall that narrow drive.

I'll give you a call and pop round to see progress after Xmas

candellara
26-12-2018, 08:47 PM
Great project Scottie

As others have said, check the cam timing on the rear bank before pulling the engine. Has a the belt jumped a few teeth? Strange to see all four cylinders down uniformly across the whole bank

Has someone changed the belt and messed up the timing on that bank?

candellara
26-12-2018, 09:45 PM
Great project Scottie

As others have said, check the cam timing on the rear bank before pulling the engine. Has a the belt jumped a few teeth? Strange to see all four cylinders down uniformly across the whole bank

Has someone changed the belt and messed up the timing on that bank?

Forgot to mention. Compression test should be run with all spark plugs removed, coils disconnected so it doesn't try and fire and throttle in wide open position.

Might be worth checking the belt timing and then re-running compression test

spiderscott
29-12-2018, 07:38 PM
Hi Scottie, just found time to look at all the episodes. Good stuff.

Is that at your house or somewhere else? I don't recall that narrow drive.

I'll give you a call and pop round to see progress after Xmas


Cheers Francis

Yes the 308s are not at my house (lack of space). They are not far from your place though if you fancy popping over at some point in the project to have a look.

spiderscott
29-12-2018, 07:39 PM
Great project Scottie

As others have said, check the cam timing on the rear bank before pulling the engine. Has a the belt jumped a few teeth? Strange to see all four cylinders down uniformly across the whole bank

Has someone changed the belt and messed up the timing on that bank?

Really appreciate all the comments, helps me try and figure out what to do and next steps in the project.

spiderscott
29-12-2018, 07:41 PM
Started to strip the various bits off the car today in order to figure out why that rear bank has low compression.


https://youtu.be/xYpXpNhj-bc

Mike01606
29-12-2018, 08:00 PM
I could sense your impatience to try and run it with the hose re-connected....a man after my own heart. I'd be exactly the same :grin:

Keep the updates coming....

milkshaker0007
29-12-2018, 10:51 PM
Just watched all 10 episodes straight as not had time until now.

Anyone with a gt4/308/328 know how challenging they can be with space and working underneath and in cramped spaces so I take my hat off to you Scottie.

Keep positive bud, you've made some big positive strides from episode 1 to 10

You now have positive spark across all eight, overcoming bad no1 lead and dodgy coil pack wiring sorting crank sensor/TDC 5-8
Fixed slow return of Metering unit
Fuel leak sorted
You have proven fuel flow to fuel injectors.
Your one belt/tension look good on the rear bank, awaiting to see forward bank,

Compression test is a big worry as others have said.
Let's see what the TDC marks show on forward cover ( has it slipped a tooth? Has is bent a valve)

Keep positive Scottie and keep sharing your journey with us, I know there are many many people glued to this thread and awaiting your next episode, good luck from a 328 owner.

I know you have another donor car in the garage but if you need a known good spare part to test with, just ask out loud as many of us owners have lots of spares lying around you could borrow if you need to.
Keep the updates coming👍🏻

spiderscott
30-12-2018, 07:52 PM
Thanks for the positive feedback guys, really do appreciate it. All the suggestions and ideas I incorporate into the testing and next steps in the following episode.

I'm in unknown territory for me with this 308 engine, but I enjoy learning and taking on new challenges so even if the engine has to come out then its all part of the fun factor.

Glad you enjoy the episodes, as I've said before this is really a journey that i'm sharing each step of. Having taken a complete gamble on this unknown QV, but knowing full well it was highly likely there would be some big issues along the way, I did the same with the 3.2 mondial a few years and transformed a neglected car into a really nice example.

Pangea
30-12-2018, 10:05 PM
Good luck. Hope its not to bad in there. Certainly looks like a cam timing/belt jumping issue on that bank with the low even pressures. Its possible you may find the marks line up correctly as some one may have tried to correct it, albeit to late. Ive seen it on other engines. That can be confusing.... Enjoying the thread. :thumbsup:

slowcoach
02-01-2019, 05:22 PM
Cool project, i haven't watched all episodes yet but looking forward to catching up.

Glad to see others working of their Ferrari on the driveways.

spiderscott
09-01-2019, 06:39 PM
Had an awesome day on the 308, episode 11 of the 308 project just uploaded.

https://youtu.be/40JN0wgsEqs

Mike01606
09-01-2019, 09:20 PM
Spoiler alert for those who've not watched...Ö.
















Result! I'm interested in the compression results. You might have been very lucky indeed. He who speculates wins :thumbsup:

F355GTS
09-01-2019, 10:12 PM
Spoiler alert for those who've not watched...Ö.
















Result! I'm interested in the compression results. You might have been very lucky indeed. He who speculates wins :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: It sounded strong so fingers crossed

F355GTS
10-01-2019, 01:46 PM
Had an awesome day on the 308, episode 11 of the 308 project just uploaded.

https://youtu.be/40JN0wgsEqs

Hi Scott, re the idle level I would look at the air jet on the throttlebody, if it's too far open it'll give you those symptoms.

I went through a lengthy trial and error on my 328 (same system) where I couldn't get the idle consistent (cutting out) in the end it was the plate in the injection unit not sealing properly after the car was resprayed it was full of crud! but I tried just about everything before I found the problem.

IIRC there is some sort of sensor on the underside of the coolant header tank as well and it might also be being caused by a coolant sensor not getting the right info if there's no coolant in the engine

Quigs
10-01-2019, 02:02 PM
Hi Scott - Great progress.

What Mark says. Also, do you have the K-Jet manual? If not, I can email you one.

spiderscott
15-01-2019, 07:29 PM
Cheers fellas, Ive been on the car today and you were both right it, the idle was the air screw on the throttle body ..... i can even blame the previous owner for messing around with that as I videoed myself doing exactly that in a previous episode LOL

spiderscott
15-01-2019, 07:29 PM
https://youtu.be/PlKtE6OYHCE

Managed a day on the 308 with some further progress

F355GTS
15-01-2019, 11:44 PM
Cheers fellas, Ive been on the car today and you were both right it, the idle was the air screw on the throttle body ..... i can even blame the previous owner for messing around with that as I videoed myself doing exactly that in a previous episode LOL


:thumbsup::thumbsup:

F355GTS
16-01-2019, 09:09 AM
great progress Scott :thumbsup:

Mike01606
16-01-2019, 09:50 AM
great progress Scott :thumbsup:

+1

Canít the lower cam drive housing be removed with the engine in place.....
I remember Terry replaced the bearings in his (355 but similar enough looking at it) and it looked fairly straightforward.
It could be a simple bad bearing that is causing it to lose tension.

spiderscott
16-01-2019, 09:55 AM
+1

Canít the lower cam drive housing be removed with the engine in place.....
I remember Terry replaced the bearings in his (355 but similar enough looking at it) and it looked fairly straightforward.
It could be a simple bad bearing that is causing it to lose tension.

If thats true it would make things a great deal easier :thumbsup:

Mike01606
16-01-2019, 11:05 AM
If thats true it would make things a great deal easier :thumbsup:

Around Post 24 on Terryís excellent thread

http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?47184-355-Engine-Out-Servicing-Part-2

Iím afraid the sumpís off so not as straightforward as I hoped.
At least it gives a look at whatís inside....


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milkshaker0007
16-01-2019, 06:04 PM
great progress Scott :thumbsup:

+1 :thumbsup:

milkshaker0007
16-01-2019, 06:40 PM
Scott,
On your earlier videos, when you moved the driving pulley it definitely had play in it.
You'll need a special socket tool to remove the pulley (fr104 I think--I may have one somewhere)
Let's say you have movement in the pulley, it's located onto the drive shaft by a small woodruff key and the shaft has a bearing around it, so fingers crossed it's just going to be the bearing or the woodruff key has worn slightly or the actual location point on the pulley itself but hopefully not affected the drive shaft, as that's going to be nightmare.
So you will need a new special replacement bolt to put back onto the driving pulley or re -use old one if OK.
Outer bearing or replacement woodruff key.
I have no idea if the actual pulley is available as a spare part ( someone will know as haven't checked)
Good luck, look forward to your next video:thumbsup:

marshallbrown
17-01-2019, 12:50 PM
Nice Work, Keep it up, dear!!

spiderscott
18-01-2019, 06:14 PM
Thanks for the info. Ive been doing a lot of research on this spoke with Alister @ Foskers and my friend Mark at Maranello and came up with the same conclusion.

The good news is all of those bearings etc are available and in stock.

So my plan is to investigate and remove the pulley and pray its something I can get to without having to strip it all down.

fingers crossed

spiderscott
24-01-2019, 07:32 PM
https://youtu.be/MnDYuNbwqXk

new episode live on the 308 project

Quigs
25-01-2019, 11:24 AM
Hi Scott, I would have thought a decent impact gun would release the crank pulley bolt easy enough and a HE ring nut tool for the drive pulleys after locking the crank on the flywheel.

spiderscott
05-02-2019, 07:40 PM
Finally got the right tools and was able to do some work on the 308 today

Cheers for all the help and advice.

Heres todays progress


https://youtu.be/FuxMVXqOPCs

PAUL V
05-02-2019, 10:18 PM
I like your videos, but not sure that is the correct environment to try and do what you are doing.

You need to take that cover off and change both bearings, also you need to check that none of the bearing parts has fallen into the engine :shocked:

Pangea
06-02-2019, 01:03 AM
I like your videos, but not sure that is the correct environment to try and do what you are doing.

You need to take that cover off and change both bearings, also you need to check that none of the bearing parts has fallen into the engine :shocked:

I agree...:thumbsup:

sssdu01
06-02-2019, 02:08 PM
At the risk of sounding unkind I dont think treating a high revving/highly stressed V8 engine the same way as you would the engine in a £500 old banger is a good idea.

I would want to take off the engine cover (even if it means an engine out), and check the insides are OK and at the same time change ALL the bearings and seals on that end of the engine. The bearing was so bad you cant see what other damage might have been done to the casing/shafts etc. Also if one bearing has gone that bad then the other might on the way out as well. :cry:

spiderscott
06-02-2019, 02:31 PM
Agreed the engine needs to come out of the 308 and very likely the inner bearing needs to be replaced and shaft checked. This may also assist with the Euro conversion as manifolds, pipes and hangers all need to be changed and repositioned to house the differences.

I'm having a rethink of the plan, that all needs to happen inside and in the dry. Ive got an engine out I want to do first on the Ratarossa ready for spring then i'll pull the 308 lump out.

Mike01606
06-02-2019, 04:42 PM
Iím enjoying the vids Scott. Keep them coming...youíve certainly a lot of plates spinning :)

I probably have about the same room at the side of my car, but at least a roof over my head.

That bearing looked too far gone not to have damaged the inner one so a big gamble to not go further into it..

spiderscott
12-02-2019, 07:26 PM
https://youtu.be/ClqCie3E2Mw

Latest episode just uploaded, with some decent progress.

spiderscott
01-03-2019, 09:49 PM
https://youtu.be/82ws334LxfI

Little update today, with a drive out and update regarding phase 2 of the 308 project

spiderscott
28-08-2019, 02:54 PM
Sorry guys its been a while on this neglected 308 project. Finally at long last I've had some time to film a bit more work on the 'troublesome' stallion

https://youtu.be/WrAC5Ya2IQc

spiderscott
12-09-2019, 07:14 PM
https://youtu.be/y4sSTDYJHIk

Heres the latest update where I reveal some pretty amazing information regarding just how cheap this ferrari 308 was !

cgt
12-09-2019, 10:01 PM
Entertaining :thumbsup:

spiderscott
26-09-2019, 06:11 PM
https://youtu.be/btEt0gOGmHQ

spiderscott
28-09-2019, 06:02 PM
https://youtu.be/KJLfUAgeWiM

tackling some wiring gremlins on the 308 project

spiderscott
08-10-2019, 05:30 PM
https://youtu.be/29biH35TdU4

latest updatesin project 308

spiderscott
18-10-2019, 06:08 PM
Discovered a few problems with the 308 Project today ...


https://youtu.be/WW8-AUiIFcY

spiderscott
26-12-2019, 07:32 PM
https://youtu.be/yPKewdfYxaQ

couple of updates on the 308 project and colour choices

spiderscott
15-02-2020, 09:03 PM
https://youtu.be/F9QZXzX3OQs

Finally back on the road after 20 years

Phase one of the project complete. Now the fun starts.

spiderscott
26-03-2020, 08:38 PM
https://youtu.be/vtUPkcgY4q0

started doing the service on the 308 - Part 1

spiderscott
26-03-2020, 08:38 PM
https://youtu.be/dHoxhxrDgzA part 2 of the service and first road drive in 20 years

spiderscott
26-03-2020, 08:39 PM
https://youtu.be/JEw8va_2U7U

US to Euro Bodywork conversion update