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tonyh
21-11-2005, 09:07 AM
Brief description here m8. PM or mobile if interested pls :)
Tony

964 '90 G reg C4 Coupe. Blk / beige lthr, 85 k miles, A/C , sunroof , Cup alloys minidisc player, FSH . New disks and pads all round. Same owner last 9 yrs .Reluctant sale.

burriana
21-11-2005, 03:23 PM
You have mail Tony. :)

tonyh
21-11-2005, 03:26 PM
You have mail Tony. :)

Replied m8.

burriana
21-11-2005, 08:50 PM
Cheers Tony. If you can get any pics then great, but don't go out of your way. i'm still desparately trying to get up to speed with the various model options and their characters and flaws!

Pauli
21-11-2005, 08:52 PM
Ask me Al, I just bought one recently.

It was the ex FOC chairman Frank Bott's (RIP)

noony
21-11-2005, 09:03 PM
I'll try and help with any porsche info.

steve f
21-11-2005, 09:14 PM
I'll try and help with any porsche info.
you still owe me a gutiar cos you know nothing about porsches :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

noony
21-11-2005, 09:33 PM
you still owe me a gutiar cos you know nothing about porsches :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:thinking2 :shutup:

burriana
21-11-2005, 10:28 PM
Basically guys I just need a reliable 911 that I can sell on in 6 or 12 months and that will keep up on most of the runs.

Everyone says the 3.2 Carrera is bullet proof and is the better option as it was the last of it's model era. However it only does 150mph top end and the interiors, unless mint, can look very shabby. Oh, but it does have that ace rear spoiler!

The 964 is the newer car, bigger engine, not sure on top end but certainly quicker, and the interior is much more refined, which is a bonus as Vicki might actually like it! The down side, I've heard that the pre-93 cars can have problems with the fly wheel and oil leak issues. I have also been told that the 4WD system is quite complex and to be honest, I don't need or hanker after it so 2WD would be fine ... unless of course problems with the 4WD are few and far between.

The budget is 15k max and, although I may get a newer car, I think there are enough out there to make it worth hanging on for a RHD.

Any suggestions or advice, always gratefully received.

Someone even said stay away from white, though i think white with red wheel interiors and a red Carrera stripe looks superb!

:)

tonyh
21-11-2005, 10:36 PM
Al,
it's a long time since i had a 964 . It was my 1st 911 [C2 Targa] and i LOVED it to bits. TBH, i didn't keep it that long to have any agg as i changed for the then new 993 . However , i did sell the 964 to a m8 who had many happy years out of it. FWIW, i'd avoid the Targa .

ted 191
21-11-2005, 10:36 PM
Basically guys I just need a reliable 911 that I can sell on in 6 or 12 months and that will keep up on most of the runs.

Everyone says the 3.2 Carrera is bullet proof and is the better option as it was the last of it's model era. However it only does 150mph top end and the interiors, unless mint, can look very shabby. Oh, but it does have that ace rear spoiler!

The 964 is the newer car, bigger engine, not sure on top end but certainly quicker, and the interior is much more refined, which is a bonus as Vicki might actually like it! The down side, I've heard that the pre-93 cars can have problems with the fly wheel and oil leak issues. I have also been told that the 4WD system is quite complex and to be honest, I don't need or hanker after it so 2WD would be fine ... unless of course problems with the 4WD are few and far between.

The budget is 15k max and, although I may get a newer car, I think there are enough out there to make it worth hanging on for a RHD.

Any suggestions or advice, always gratefully received.

Someone even said stay away from white, though i think white with red wheel interiors and a red Carrera stripe looks superb!

:)
Hi al
had a white c2 cab looked ace,
why not go lhd and get turbo 2,awsome perfomance with 1bar boost spring(180 top end but you need all 3 lanes)

EK3R
21-11-2005, 10:38 PM
Al, honestly don't get a 964, they can be a right nightmare and can cost a lot of money to run unless it is a mint one. This was a big step for Porsche in modernising the 911, and a lot of the work that went on in the 964 was basically development for the 993 (which is bulletproof, and to my mind the ultimate incarnation of the 911). Problems with dual mass flywheel, engine oil leaks, DME relay problems and the list goes on.

I would honestly get a 3.2 Carrera if I were you as its going to give you trouble free cheap motoring (providing you make sure its a straight car), and as this car is only a stop gap for you until at TR or 456 that is exactly what you will want.

The interior really hasn't changed much on the car since its introduction, the dash in a 70's 911 is the same as my 993 Turbo basically! OK the seats and centre console are smarter, but its not a huge difference. You should be able to get a 88 - 89 car with a looked after interior.

Plus as you say it does have the classic whale-tale.

A very good source of info is:

http://forums.rennlist.com

noony
21-11-2005, 10:41 PM
Al, the white 911 you described is a 3.2 clubsport, which is rare and more expensive. For your situation, I'd recommend an 87.5+ 3.2 carrera. From mid 87 they had the 5 speed "G50" gearbox, which is much better than the previous 4 speed version.

EK3R
21-11-2005, 10:41 PM
Al, found this on Pistonheads that lists out common 964 problems:

http://www.pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=5870

barabus
21-11-2005, 10:53 PM
Al, the white 911 you described is a 3.2 clubsport, which is rare and more expensive. For your situation, I'd recommend an 87.5+ 3.2 carrera. From mid 87 they had the 5 speed "G50" gearbox, which is much better than the previous 4 speed version.

The 1989 had a LSD too which the earlier cars didn't ( I think ) or was in an optional extra?

Pauli
21-11-2005, 11:30 PM
I own a black 1991 964 C2 which has had a full OPC history by only 2 owners so I might have a rare car but I love the 964 for what it is, classic motoring with new features like PAS and electric everything with heated everything too, so I'd sweep ebay and autotrader regular or pistonheads too, but a good site is also classicdriver.com

my missus prefers the classic front than the 993 which has headlights a bit more sunk in.

I'd stay away from Turbo's and C4's you just need to try and get a car that has either a topend rebuild done or has had it's Dual Mass Flywheel DMF redone apart from that they will costs you the same as a boxster or less to run, with that classic look is a better buy IMO.

I've owned the best but to be fair it's no 360 but for 16 grand it's much much better value for money and will always be worth that.

There is a book by Adrian Struthers that everyone raves about maybe buy that and see what it's all about, it specialises in 964's too.

t1grm
21-11-2005, 11:37 PM
Cheers Tony. If you can get any pics then great, but don't go out of your way. i'm still desparately trying to get up to speed with the various model options and their characters and flaws!


What happened to the 512? Or does that come later :)

burriana
22-11-2005, 08:58 AM
What happened to the 512? Or does that come later :)

Hopefully yes Gary.

We find ourselves having to complete on a new build in Spain that we had hoped to shift earlier. No great hassle, as the purchase price is good, but it does put spending serious money on a car on hold until we work out what cash is available for fun.

Hence a cheaper stop gap. Though you never know, I might get bitten by the "dark side" and end up with a 993TT :D

(or, as I was talking with StuB about on the way to V.Max in his eversosmooth supercharged Z3 - a cheap LHD 348TB... with a supercharger bolted on to it! :D :D )

burriana
22-11-2005, 09:13 AM
Al, the white 911 you described is a 3.2 clubsport, which is rare and more expensive.


ah, it was just a hypothetical relatively cheap styling jobby that I was thinking of Noony, not the actual RS model :)

Thanks for those useful links Eric and Paul.

Chris, I think a Turbo 2 will be out of budget and the LHD will make it that bit harder to shift come sale time.

Right, I'm off to do some more reading!

Hud
22-11-2005, 09:16 AM
Al, what about a yellow 968 clubsport? Quite a desirable, capable car.

burriana
22-11-2005, 02:06 PM
Al, what about a yellow 968 clubsport? Quite a desirable, capable car.

Someone else was asking about that and as an everyday car, great. But as a weekend exotic toy it's just too normal I'm afraid :)

and I'd have it in Club Sport Blue rather than yellow ... one of the very rare times I would go for a blue car!

Pauli
22-11-2005, 02:38 PM
www.porschaforum.com is also a good site

Pauli
22-11-2005, 04:30 PM
try this too chap.

http://www.performance2and4.co.uk/

burriana
23-11-2005, 07:39 PM
try this too chap.

http://www.performance2and4.co.uk/

I was looking at Adrians 2and4 site yesterday, very very helpful and i might give him a call as I guess I have nothing to lose.

Does Porshaforum have a classified section? Couldn't find one!

Pauli
23-11-2005, 08:56 PM
Don't think so, to be honest mate, stay close to me on this one and I'll make sure you get the right car as I'm close to the trade side too, and have alot of good contacts for stuff like this.

I'd go for a 964 C2 as the early 993's are not varioram engines and only have 272bhp which as mine is chipped up past that means it's not as fast anyway.

The section for selling stuff on there is in the forum under market place.

To be honest http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/ for stuff to.

I'd maybe try subscribijng to PCGB for 45 quid a year you'll get a monthyl mag which has great classfieds.

Also try http://www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_world/classifieds.html

burriana
23-11-2005, 11:40 PM
I'd go for a 964 C2 as the early 993's are not varioram engines

Appreciated Paul ... but I think I am safer (as it is only a 6-12 monther) going for a late RHD 3.2 Carrera coupe.

They seem to have less potential cost implications, and an unmolested car shouldn't be too difficult to sell on when the need arises.

Also, I heard from one area that white was coming back in, then from another that white is the kiss of death! :confused:

I had an idea of, if I could find a nice white one, putting the red Carrera stripe along the side and colour coding the ****es with red centres, nothing dramatic, but just to make it a little different from the norm.

I shall keep looking :)

steve f
23-11-2005, 11:42 PM
Appreciated Paul ... but I think I am safer (as it is only a 6-12 monther) going for a late RHD 3.2 Carrera coupe.

They seem to have less potential cost implications, and an unmolested car shouldn't be too difficult to sell on when the need arises.

Also, I heard from one area that white was coming back in, then from another that white is the kiss of death! :confused:

I had an idea of, if I could find a nice white one, putting the red Carrera stripe along the side and colour coding the ****es with red centres, nothing dramatic, but just to make it a little different from the norm.

I shall keep looking :)
i like white ones make sure you get one with the G50 gearbox al

Pauli
23-11-2005, 11:59 PM
yeah a late 3.2 maybe 87 onwards should have that I think.

I like the idea of the white with red.

Always a good selling point I think.

Another good site for info is one you may already know and thats www.qv500.com it's got great car guides.

burriana
24-11-2005, 12:05 AM
Cool - white it is then :D

Just been on the PCGB site - what a jumbled classifieds section!!!