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F430 - no whir from F1 pump & no start

jonnyjonkers

jonnyjonkers

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Argh, Easter Weekend, I've just taxed the F430 (2009 F1 Spyder) and now it won't ruddy start - the first time ever this has happened.

Here's some back story:

The car is stored offsite and had been left for 4-5 weeks with no trickle charger attached.
When I started it, some of the dashboard lights flashed a bit, but it fired and ran.
While driving though, I could not operate the gearbox in Manual, only Auto.
I got the car home and immediately put it on mains charge with the Ferrari-supplied charger. I left it for 6 days on charge I believe.

When I opened the door I noticed the F1 pump didn't whir as normal.
I disconnected the charger and ran through the standard start procedure. Nothing. I left it 24 hours, back on charge (green light showing) but still nothing.

I should point out that the engine warning light stays on when the key is turned to position II

Any ideas?
 
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Turn the battery isolator off, wait a while then try again.
Perhaps with low battery voltage something has got confused so reboot the system?
 
Ian355 said:
Turn the battery isolator off, wait a while then try again.
Perhaps with low battery voltage something has got confused so reboot the system?
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One thing I should have said is that method works for a 355 but it might pay to check if the same method is applicable to a 430.
 
The supplied charger is more a maintainer than charger and if the battery has run down and is old it will likely have died.

The 430 needs quite a bit of juice to fire up all its ECU’s and them all broadcast a clean bill of health in order for it to start trouble free.

Always always always wait until you see check ok before pressing start as this is the completion of all the boot sequencing.

The big start button was added for a reason and why you can’t merely twist a key.

Get a full charge in the battery and take your time to fire it all up correctly.

Should be okay
 
Modificato said:
The big start button was added for a reason and why you can’t merely twist a key.
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I never thought of it that way!

Thanks guys, I'll let you know how I get on. The battery is the one that came with the car three years ago and I doubt it was new then. Could be a good opportunity for a new one.
 
So, situation unchanged - engine light on, start button unresponsive. I'll speak to the local Ferrari dealership technician later this afternoon for his help & advice.
 
A small win, but no end to the war.

I have replaced the 30A fuse at position PSF31 which has cured the non-starting issue (I must add though that the whir was a bit clunky, not the usual high pitch). So the engine now runs, the engine warning light has gone out, which is all good.

However, the car will not select a gear, forward or reverse. I could switch it out of Auto, but not switch back in. Basically, my car runs but will not move.
 
Sounds like an F1 pump relay issue - the relay is old school and notorious for burning out if the F1 gearbox has not been kept tip top via a self learn every service.

This link is also a good upgrade over the factory solution so if you intend to keep the car a while worth a shout.

Swiss prices but well made and quality R&D and engineering for such a relatively small niche market.

https://www.scuding.com/Shop/en/ecu-solutions/101-smart-emt-relay-ecu.html

Other models with F1 gearbox covered too.
 
Argh - and again argh - F1 pump has died. So it is the expensive part after all.

Parts on order, hopefully I'll have it back in time for National Drive it Day. Fingers crossed.
 
Modificato said:
Sounds like an F1 pump relay issue - the relay is old school and notorious for burning out if the F1 gearbox has not been kept tip top via a self learn every service.

This link is also a good upgrade over the factory solution so if you intend to keep the car a while worth a shout.

Swiss prices but well made and quality R&D and engineering for such a relatively small niche market.

https://www.scuding.com/Shop/en/ecu-solutions/101-smart-emt-relay-ecu.html

Other models with F1 gearbox covered too.
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I know the horse has bolted but I am quite tempted by this, just the basic Type 1 (an F430 beeps enough without adding more :laugh: )

Does anyone have any experience of one, or tips on how to fit at home? (ie what to do beforehand, disconnect battery, starting and driving for the first time). Thanks.
 
Scudding Swiss relay is a great concept, but it beeps like hell and furthermore will not allow you to start the car even more if the battery is weak as a preventative measure
 
Fast forward to 2024.... My car (2009 Scud) is also stored at a storage facility, with CTEK MXS 5.0 battery charger connected directly to the battery (the Ferrari maintainer is just sh!t). When I started it today, CST light came on momentarily and I could hear whining noise from the engine bay. I let the car idle a little while, then shut down and started again. No CST but check engine was on. The whine was still there but because the car had been unused for about a month I thought the battery, which was a quite few years old by now, was not accepting a full charge (check engine because of this). Drove the car for about 25 mins to an event and shut it down. Whining noise from engine bay had stopped. When I opened the door to get in and leave, no fuel pump prime when the door was opened and when I tuned on the ignition, no beeep sound. Although all the lights came on, pressing the START button did nothing. Got a new battery delivered and installed at the location. Thought this might resolve the issue, but it did not. Car now at the workshop.....
 
Black Thunder said:
Fast forward to 2024.... My car (2009 Scud) is also stored at a storage facility, with CTEK MXS 5.0 battery charger connected directly to the battery (the Ferrari maintainer is just sh!t). When I started it today, CST light came on momentarily and I could hear whining noise from the engine bay. I let the car idle a little while, then shut down and started again. No CST but check engine was on. The whine was still there but because the car had been unused for about a month I thought the battery, which was a quite few years old by now, was not accepting a full charge (check engine because of this). Drove the car for about 25 mins to an event and shut it down. Whining noise from engine bay had stopped. When I opened the door to get in and leave, no fuel pump prime when the door was opened and when I tuned on the ignition, no beeep sound. Although all the lights came on, pressing the START button did nothing. Got a new battery delivered and installed at the location. Thought this might resolve the issue, but it did not. Car now at the workshop.....
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I had similar spurious symptoms with my F1 360 ( 9yrs and 22K miles added taking it to 42K ) .
What alleviated it was refreshing the F1 pump fluid regularly .
I used to take a big syringe and suck out as much as I could from the reservoir and replenish.
Can’t remember exactly how much say 1-200 mls every few months . It solved it .

Yup it was trickled and yup I replaced the batt at one point .

The ad hoc fluid replenishment solved it .

Metal particles build up in th fluid and eventually the pump can’t cope it happens slowly, a one off then more often no specific time . When it’s been stood a while a large gulp of particles forms as they settle in the fluid .

There will be a service flush out interval buried somewhere in the service schedule which involves dealer computer no doubt ?

My car had FFSH and saw a dealer annually , but being intermittent Sod’s law I was ok when they had it .

Any how as said I appear to have solved it sans dealer .
 
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