Full service history???? What does it mean?

[paulbeckham11]

Hi Guys and Gals, Just wondering your opinions on "Full service history", as in do you think a Ferrari should be serviced every year regardless of mileage to be able to claim a FSH? What do you class as a FSH? I got thinking about this when I was looking at a service history on a 288GTO for sale - reads as follows -

Supplied by Crepaldi in Milano New in February 1985, 1000 Mile Service in March 1985, 6250 Mile Service by Cremona in Italy, 12500 Mile Service Carried out by Maranellos in the UK in October 1988, Engine Overhaul by Maranello in July 1989 at 17310 Miles, Engine First Service in September 1989 at 17644 Miles, 18750 Mile Service by Maranello in May 1990, Oil and Filter Service by Graypaul in April 1994, Service and Cambelt Change by Graypaul in July 1996 at 23831 Miles, Gearbox Rebuild by Graypaul in October 1996 at 24001 Miles, Oil and Filter Change by Graypaul in December 1997, 25000 Mile Service by Talcrest in April 2002 at 27303 Miles, Major Overhaul by Noel Racing in France in July 2006 at 29257 Miles, Last Service by Dick Lovett including all Fluids and Cambelts in September 2010 at 29795 Miles

Which it does have big year gaps inbetween visits to a dealer - so does that really matter???? Will it affect values to someone who did that sort of mileage in a 355 or 360 and missed out services like that?? Just thought I`d ask opinions.........

Paul

 

[Boney M]

Full service history means just that, serviced inline with factory recommendations, ie every year.

What bit don't you get about FSH?

 

[jtremlett]

Full service history means just that, serviced inline with factory recommendations, ie every year.

What bit don't you get about FSH?

Surely it is a meaningless term because it means whatever the advertiser wants it to mean? Or, in other words it is frequently miss-used. As a buyer you look at the documentary evidence and the car (or whatever) and decide what is important to you.

Jonathan

 

[WalkerSport]

There are two schools of thought on this, The correct meaning is serviced on time every year without gaps.

The second view is that the car has her full servicing history present (which is what a lot of dealers call FSH) but is not always complete.

Its why we post the cars servicing history up on our site - so you can make an informed decision in advance. However if a car is not serviced for a year and has done very little mileage, then kept a good service record thereafter then its unlikely to alter the cars value.

:thumbsup:

T.

 

[paulbeckham11]

Full service history means just that, serviced inline with factory recommendations, ie every year.

What bit don't you get about FSH?

Thanks for the input - think you missed the point of what I was trying to ask though - I was meaning that numerous cars have listed a FSH which have gone without services for a couple of years as they have done very little mileage - so was asking opinions on could it be classed as that and also would it put many off or affect value drastically. So from the other replys I am getting the opinion that yearly is what ideally a FSH should be, but mileage and condition is just as important to value etc. I believe earlier V8 service books all had mileage service stamp sections and not yearly.

Paul

 

[Mario149]

believe earlier V8 service books all had mileage service stamp sections and not yearly.

Paul

From memory mine is like this. The funniest thing is that the mielage intervals printed in the book don't match up to the mileages at which the 2.7 355 has to be serviced Although I think mine may have had a replacement book a year or 2 into its life if memory serves, and Maranello just restamped it based on their own records

 

[paulbeckham11]

There are two schools of thought on this, The correct meaning is serviced on time every year without gaps.

The second view is that the car has her full servicing history present (which is what a lot of dealers call FSH) but is not always complete.

Its why we post the cars servicing history up on our site - so you can make an informed decision in advance. However if a car is not serviced for a year and has done very little mileage, then kept a good service record thereafter then its unlikely to alter the cars value.

:thumbsup:

T.

Thanks for the informative reply - I asked just for future reference as I am toying with the idea of a 360 next and also as my 348 has been serviced yearly and only does 500-600 miles a year and was seeing if I was wasting money by keeping it up?

Paul

 

[Mario149]

my 348....only does 500-600 miles a year

Paul

:computer: .... :shocked: .... :cry3: .... :wall::wall::wall:

 

[RIOT OK]

I delayed my yearly service from November to Feb/march, as it was pointless having the car serviced and then sitting in the garage for 5 months over winter and hardly turning a wheel. Now its annually. :hmmm:

 

[Murph7355]

Depends on the car IMO. The older they are, and the longer ago the gaps, the less it *should* have an impact on value.

Doesn't always work that way though, and everything else being equal (which it rarely is) if one car had a patchy service history and another a full one, the latter would be more saleable.

FSH to me should mean that it has been serviced in line with the manufacturers recommendations from first registration to present date (shouldn't matter who's serviced it either). This means at least once a year with all F-cars to date, and on some older cars more regularly. FFSH means this has been done at Ferrari authorised servicing agents.

When looking at a car, never just look at service stamps though. Always look at all the paperwork that went with each service. Services are basic maintenance, and these cars nearly always need something else doing at service time. You want to find out how well the car has been looked after - "FSH" is always used as indication of this, but in no way tells the full story.

 

[paulbeckham11]

Depends on the car IMO. The older they are, and the longer ago the gaps, the less it *should* have an impact on value.

Doesn't always work that way though, and everything else being equal (which it rarely is) if one car had a patchy service history and another a full one, the latter would be more saleable.

FSH to me should mean that it has been serviced in line with the manufacturers recommendations from first registration to present date (shouldn't matter who's serviced it either). This means at least once a year with all F-cars to date, and on some older cars more regularly. FFSH means this has been done at Ferrari authorised servicing agents.

When looking at a car, never just look at service stamps though. Always look at all the paperwork that went with each service. Services are basic maintenance, and these cars nearly always need something else doing at service time. You want to find out how well the car has been looked after - "FSH" is always used as indication of this, but in no way tells the full story.

This is exactly what I was meaning - a FSH could still mean a car that hasnt been fully looked after as it might of had the bare minimum done, where as a car which may of had missed a year here or there but had £££££ spent when it was in the dealer could be classed as more of a FSH!! As for FFSH - does that make it worth more than if the same work had been done at a specialist??? Maybe more desirable but not worth any more in my opinion!

Paul

 

[Murph7355]

...where as a car which may of had missed a year here or there but had £££££ spent when it was in the dealer could be classed as more of a FSH!! ...

Nope - it would have been better cared for, but does not have FSH. There are no shades of grey with the word "full". Something either is, or it isn't.

...As for FFSH - does that make it worth more than if the same work had been done at a specialist??? Maybe more desirable but not worth any more in my opinion!...

Nor in mine. Quite the opposite in my experience.

But some of the less well educated people that you may have to sell the car on to might not feel that way. And that is what will hurt your residual value.

 

[tom]

:computer: .... :shocked: .... :cry3: .... :wall::wall::wall:

To be fair, when I bought mine I was adament I wasn't going to be one of these Ferrari owners who never drives the thing.

I did 2,500 miles in my first year. :thumbsdow I just don't seem to have time for more than 40-50 miles at a weekend!

 

[paulbeckham11]

To be fair, when I bought mine I was adament I wasn't going to be one of these Ferrari owners who never drives the thing.

I did 2,500 miles in my first year. :thumbsdow I just don't seem to have time for more than 40-50 miles at a weekend!

I work most weekends and we just done get enough nice weather - I would like to take it out more!!!

 

[355Chris]

FSH in the true sense of the terms is serviced in accordance with manufacturers guidelines, which in the case of most, if not all ferraris, is that there should be a minimum a service of some description every year.

There are very few cars that have histories like this. As they get older then they tend to have one missed here or there. 20+ yr old cars are highly likely to have missed a few a long the way. Most I have bought have one missing. So long as there is only one or two missing on a 7th + year old car then I don't tend to be too concerned so long as ppi gives a clear, or close to clear, bill of health. Missing services must be considered in relation to age; If you had a 4 yr old car missing two then I would be concerned.

As long as not many have been missed, considering age, then I can't see it hitting value. As said earlier all being equal the true fsh car is more desirable than the incomplete one.

Condition is always going to be Primary.